Integrative Veterinary Medicine With Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 0:02

• Elaine Cebuliak Discusses Her Hawaii Background and Passion for Integrative Veterinary Medicine
• Elaine Cebuliak's Chiropractor Father and Polish Mother Taught Her About Food Therapy and Health
• Elaine Cebuliak Studied Remedial Massage and Essential Oils in the 1970s and Used Doterra and Young Living Oils

Using Essential Oils For Cancer Treatment 3:49

• Elaine Cebuliak Highlights Plant Therapy, Sydney Essential Oils, and Amazing Scents as Her Favorite Essential Oil Brands
• Elaine Cebuliak Uses Frankincense, Myrrh, and Lavender Essential Oils to Treat Dogs with Skin Cancer, Adding DMSO and Peppermint to Boost Their Efficacy
• Elaine Cebuliak Discusses Her Success with Eggplant Sap and Spurge Sap Cream for Skin Cancers
• Rob Ryan Mentions the "Rainbow Treatment" Using Young Living Essential Oils, Which Involves Applying the Oils to the Back

The Connection Between Dental Health And Myofascial Release In Animals 9:31

• In Massage Therapy, Dr. Elaine Cebuliak Discusses Using Essential Oils for Trigger Points, Using Hemp or Coconut Oil in a Carrier Base
• According to Dr. Elaine Cebuliak, Dental Pain May Affect the Muscles on the Other Side of the Body, and Trigger Point Oils Can Relieve Tension
• Elaine Cebuliak Discusses How Not Understanding the Body's Systems, Including Dentistry and Surgery, Can Lead to Poor Treatment Outcomes and High Veterinarian Suicide Rates
• New Veterinarians Face Challenges, Including Ongoing Studies and High Standards, Which Contribute to the Profession's High Suicide Rate, According to Dr. Elaine Cebuliak

Essential Oils And Dental Care For Pets 14:35

• Elaine Cebuliak and Rob Ryan Discuss the Healing Properties of Frankincense and Helichrysum Essential Oils for Dog Dental Issues

Root Canals, Dental Pain, And Hygiene In Pets 17:16

• Rob Ryan Discusses His Experience with Holistic Vets and Root Canals, Including a Patient Who Needed Two
• Elaine Cebuliak, a Veterinarian, Discusses the Importance of Dental X-rays and 3D Imaging in Dental Disease Diagnosis, Citing Pet Misdiagnosis
• Elaine Cebuliak Discusses Dog Root Canal Challenges, Including Infection Risk and Breakage Prevention
• Dogs May Break Their Teeth on the Canal Seal and Suffer Lateral Slab Fractures if Fed Hard Bones, Says Dr. Elaine Cebuliak

Dental Care For Pets, Including X-rays and Extraction Techniques 23:39

• According to Dr. Elaine Cebuliak, Cats' Canine Tooth Pulp May Get Infected and Cause Osteomyelitis, Thus Dental Care Is Crucial
• Elaine Cebuliak Recommends Using a Cotton Tip or Soft Toothbrush to Brush a Tasty Treat in the Cat's Mouth to Check for Dental Issues Instead of Using Fingers

Treating Hyperthyroidism In Cats And Dentistry For Pets 26:35

• Elaine Cebuliak Discusses the Importance of Cholesterol in Hormone Production in Mammals, Including Cats, and How a Cholesterol-Lowering Medication Helped a Hyperthyroid Cat
• Elaine Cebuliak and Rob Ryan Discuss Treating Hyperthyroidism in Cats, Highlighting the Risks of Untreated Hyperthyroidism, Including High Blood Pressure and Blindness
• Dentist Discusses Anesthesia-Free Pet Dental Procedures

Dental Care For Dogs, Including Anesthesia Use 31:48

• Veterinarians Recommend Natural Remedies Like Chewing Bones or Using a Spoon to Remove Calculus Buildup on Pets' Teeth, Especially in Hard-to-Reach Areas
• Elaine Cebuliak Explores the Controversial Practice of Anesthesia-Free Dentistry for Pets, with Some Vets Using Other Methods to Calm Animals During Procedures
• A Specialist Recommends Anesthesia-Based Dental Cleaning for Dogs with Poor Oral Hygiene

Saving A Bird Species Through Captive Breeding Program 37:53

• Rob Ryan Discusses His Involvement in Establishing a Captive Breeding Program for the Endangered Bali Starling on Nusa Penida, a Sacred Island in Indonesia, Via a Community Agreement and Children's Book
• Yuda, Rob's Friend and Balinese Vet, Dedicated His Life to Saving Wildlife, Including the Bali Starling, Via Captive Breeding and Community Outreach

Cancer And Environmental Health With A Personal Story From Bali 40:51

• Elaine Cebuliak Established a Scholarship for a Student in Nusa Penida Island, Indonesia, Upon Learning Their Family's $1,000 Annual Income and Their Desire to Become a Physician
• Elaine Cebuliak's Scholarship Enabled the Student to Become School President and Marry Another Student a Year Later
• Elaine Cebuliak Discusses Her Volunteer Experience in India, Providing Goat Bones and Other Nutritious Food to Dogs with Health Issues
• Elaine Cebuliak Advocates for Reducing Agricultural Chemicals and Cleaning Up the Environment to Prevent Cancer While Also Discussing Her Interests in Dentistry and Cancer Research

Glyphosate's Harmful Effects On Human And Animal Health 46:00

• Elaine Cebuliak Discusses the Dangers of Glyphosate, a Common Herbicide in Agriculture, and Its Link to Cancer and Other Health Issues
• According to Dr. Elaine Cebuliak, the Use of Glyphosate in Wheat Production Might Harm Gut Health by Destroying Beneficial Bacteria and Promoting Harmful Microorganisms
• Elaine Cebuliak Emphasizes the Need for Testing and Diagnosing Thyroid Issues in Both Dogs and Humans
• Elaine Cebuliak Highlights the Need for Testing Thyroid Autoantibodies Alongside TSH Levels, Which Many Doctors Are Unaware Of

Environmental Issues And Recycling Projects 52:12

• Elaine Cebuliak and Rob Ryan Discuss the Need for Testing Thyroid Issues in Dogs
• They Mention Dr. Jean Dodds' Comprehensive Thyroid Panel and Risks of Microplastics in the Environment
• Elaine Cebuliak Stresses the Importance of Educating Vets and Adopting a Holistic Approach to Health
• Rob Ryan Suggests Finding a New Vet if the Current One Isn't Up-to-Date on Research
• Elaine Cebuliak Collaborates with Indonesian Students to Create a Garden Using Eco-Friendly Bricks from Recycled Plastic
• The Project Promotes Ecology and Recycling
• Elaine Cebuliak Offers Scholarships to Students Who Create the Best Garden and Recycle the Most Plastic

Plastic Waste And Sustainable Solutions 57:21

• Finns Create Eco-Friendly Building Blocks From Recycled Plastic And Wood
• Rob Ryan And Dr. Elaine Cebuliak Discuss The Environmental Impact Of Fast Fashion
• Cebuliak Expresses Hope For Bacteria And Natural Solutions To Break Down Plastics
• On November 4th, Rob Ryan And Dr. Elaine Cebuliak Will Award Scholarships To Children To Promote Environmental Awareness

Integrative Veterinary Medicine With Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 0:02

Rob Ryan  00:02

Well, hey, everybody. Thank you for joining us once again on our Gussy's Gut podcast. I am so honored to be here today with Dr. Elaine Cebuliak. She has the website animalwellness.com.au; 'cause she's in Australia, that's right? And so we want to talk about Dr. Cebuliak's passions in her practice and life; she has tremendous energy. I won't try to introduce her to everything there's to you. We're going to see those over the next few minutes. She works in the human world, but most of her career is with animals. And I'm just so excited to introduce you. So, Dr. Cebuliak, welcome.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 00:52

Thank you. Thanks for having me. Yeah, being part of the international integrative vet world is also lovely. It's always been part of my passion. So, I grew up in Hawaii. So, I know some of these fantastic vets. We were chatting about Ihar Basco, who lived in Hawaii and introduced me to mushroom therapy many years ago for immunotherapy and as part of cancer treatments. We were also just chatting before we started about how the integrative vets have this developed art part of their brain and recognize the body, mind, and spirit, and how that's been part of my background. My dad was a chiropractor. So, I knew that there were other methods for treating the body. And he was prominent, as most Cairons are into supplements. So I remember him making a drink every morning before going to work. Yeah, it was Tiger's milk and supplements. And he always talked about having a banana and an egg regularly. So later on, I realized potassium and protein levels were just food, right? Mom was an excellent cook, and she was Polish. And we always had a salad before dinner, with a squeeze of lemon on it. And then later, when I studied natural empathy, it was about getting the gastric juices going with that little bit of bitterness. And then, when I studied TCM and Chinese food therapy, it all came together. So, life is quite a journey where you recognize that food therapy is essential. Growing up in Hawaii, Chinese food therapy was always in the background; you know, you go out and have a bowl of soup. And, as the Asians see, they talk about heat, cold, and food therapy. It's just normal. It would be best if you had ginger before you ate. And everyone's eating some ginger or ginger tea if you're not feeling well. So it's all just ordinary stuff, you know.

Rob Ryan  02:55

But you were no, no, no tea, pun intended. But you were like, You were steeped in this knowledge. Yeah, you're a very young kid.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 03:03

That's right. So it was normal. Yeah, I remember waking up one morning. I was about to be a teenager, and my neck was sore. So, Dad did that. And it was all better. I was like, Oh, that's cool. So yeah, I understood there were things to do with the body. I was studying for my vet degree. I studied remedial massage and essential oils just for fun. And that was back in 1978. So now we have doTERRA, Young Living, and multi-level marketing essential oils. And I'm like, Yeah, that's just normal. Yeah, and then I tell people, you know, you can use good-quality oils from other companies as well. So it's interesting. Yeah.

Using Essential Oils For Cancer Treatment 3:49

Rob Ryan  03:49

What I did was tee off on that super quick. What what? Let's pick three. I won't ask you for your favorite, but choose three brands you like the oils from.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 03:58

We use Plant Therapy quite a bit of Sydney essential oils. There's one called Amazing Scents that became a friend of mine, and Pranarom, and I think it's a name from France. They're perfect—all of those who could produce quality oils.

Rob Ryan  04:13

What can you say? Slower the one right last one.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 04:17

It's pranarom.. Yeah, something like that. But it's an essential oil company that is quite good. So, you can buy frankincense for $100 million for plant therapy. So those are the sizes of the bottles that we have. And it needs to be more affordable in those small, five-mile multi-level marketing groups. And we use it a lot for cancer therapies. For instance, I make healing herbs. We do have a website for that, healingherbs.net. It is, and I bought that product from a naturopath friend who was retiring from that. It has aloe and, well, quite a few herbs, calendula, and a few other things that are relatively safe, so dogs can eat it and ingest it, and it will help with all kinds of gut issues if they swallow it. But I use that little tub. It's 60 grams in the tub, and I'll put frankincense in it. I found it good. Frankincense, myrrh, lavender, and sometimes others have anti-cancer properties. Frankincense has some excellent information. Now, if you go to PubMed and look up Boswellia Serrata, there are all different frankincenses, but the sacred one, Serratus, is one I tend to use primarily. And so with the prices of the 100 mil frankincense, I'll pour in two or three miles into my little tub, shake it up, add some or sometimes some DMSO, which is a fantastic antioxidant, and maybe a bit of peppermint. Those drive the essential oils into the cell and help kill things like squamous and basal cell carcinoma. So, I've had dogs who like to sunbathe. We have vicious UV light problems in Hawaii and Queensland and the highest rate of melanoma and skin cancers here. Dogs that like to lie in the sun can be particularly apt at a problem, so I've made topicals that way. I've also used some soliciting, so Queensland's exciting because we had Bill Cham. When Young Living Essential Oils came to this country, the farmers knew that the Hereford cows we have get skin cancer around the eyes; they have white faces and squamous cell carcinoma. Some farmers notice that the cows rub their faces against the devil's apple and get the sap from it onto their cancers, which would regress.

Bill Cham, a biochemist living in that area, became friends with the man who helped introduce Young Living Essential Oils to Australia. Together, they worked through chemistry, and things found their way to God and this philosophy: the sap of eggplant in actual eggplant. And in The Devil's Apple, he made a cream called a curator when Joba Jokey Peterson was our premier. And they were friends. So he was a farmer, Joe Wilkie Peterson. And he was in, and he and his wife were into natural medicines and things like being farmers. And that got through, and you could buy this little tube of cure dome for 30 bucks. So this is going back a few years. And it was 100% successful in curing early-stage SCCs and BCCs. So you can Google that Bill Cham retired to his homeland in Vanuatu, where it's famined. So you can still buy it online. It's a lot more expensive. But anyway, another chemist down in New South Wales has understood this, so we believe some Solasodine-like cream from him. So, I've been dabbling in these various things to help treat cancer. For instance, spurge, the sap of spurge, a common Petit spurge—you can Google the look of that plant, and the white fluid that comes from that is also 100%. Successful in early-stage BCC and SCC. So, there's a lot to know about essential oils and sets of plants that can be super useful. Yeah.

Rob Ryan  08:45

So, somebody likes it; I have experience with essential oils. I was lucky to have one of my first experiences with my local holistic vet. She was really into Young Living and essential oils. I've done the whole thing. Is it called the rainbow treatment, where you put the words on their back?

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 09:08

Yeah, raindrop. And so they have a saying, oh, to be careful when mothering people, which is the mnemonic to remember the different oils that go in there: oh, oregano, thyme, basil, cypress, be careful wintergreen when mothering my joram, and peppermint.

The Connection Between Dental Health And Myofascial Release In Animals 9:31

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 09:31

So you use all of those and mix them up. I teach a massage workshop when I get around to it once or twice a year. I give all my students a bottle of hemp or coconut oil. I majored as a bass, as a carrier bass, depending on what they're making, so if they're making it for a small dog or even a cat, it's like one drop of each. B have like the dosing of that if they're treating a significant, great day, and I say I put five to 10 drops of each oregano is a hot oil can be slightly burnt, but you're putting it in a carrier base. But that mixture is fantastic for trigger points when, when you get a matching, we will talk about dentistry later. But say, for example, you have dental pain here; you tend to be on the other side, not that side. And so, if you put a woolen jumper in hot water, it does that. So that's what happens to the fascia, the myofascial; you get a tight area, and you can't really extend that area or release it right. And so you can put trigger point oil in that one, Young Living, or if I modify it a little bit, I'll put different things in it. Now, a little bit of lavender is usually good for muscle tightness. So when I was working as a remedial massage therapist back in the day when I was young and pretty, men would get a hold on me, and I would put lots of my job as you get placidity that way. So it helps with muscle tightness. So you can recall, you put a drop of that on your trigger point area and then massage it. And so, that will release it. So it's good to have that. And then any animal but quadruped dogs, if they've got dental pain, hear that everything's connected. So that means you'll get some masseter muscle trigger points and some neck trigger points. And because it's all connected, you'll get some triceps trigger points on the four legs. So, you will see lameness that looks like lameness, possibly due to dental pain or the fascia. Looking at the cameras, see where I go with this; everything's connected. So the body is on a bias, and the fascia is on a preference, right? So what happens to the bottom left if you tighten the sheath on your bed and someone comes in and pools on it? So think of that, think of it, and pull it to the top so that it's all other biases, same in humans and exact in dogs. So, if you've got a left shoulder problem, you will have a right hip problem. Wow. So the fascia will pull that, and you might end up with a medial patellar luxation from a dental problem. So, and that's just because the fascia is all connected. And these things are commonly missed. It's not taught. Because, as you know, work is not taught in vet school. It's not taught in vet school essential oils, and it's not taught at school. In dentistry, you'd be lucky to get one or two lectures because all of the academia—we say academia—runs with macadamia nuts.

Rob Ryan  13:00

That's awesome.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 13:02

So that's what's happened over the years. It's like, everybody's got their little area of interest. And in their minds, it's the most important thing. So you've got the people that want to lecture in surgery; you know, you've got to have lots of lectures and surgery. So, up at the university, they're all fighting for their time. You see, it's all about, you know, how much they get paid. But it's fair; there's a lot to cover. Dentistry is a five-year course. That's a five-year course. So how in the world can people graduate with advanced trading in dentistry? You can't, you know. You might see that you have to section the tooth because they have roots, and there are ways of tearing the periodontal ligament, but for the poor new graduates, it's a struggle. As you are probably aware, the rate of suicide in the bid profession is exceptionally high; one bed every three months in this country kills. Yeah, but I think that stats are worldwide, so it's miserable. I think there's not enough understanding of, you know, how challenging the actual profession is, how much ongoing study there is, and how high we set the standards for ourselves because people who get into the vet's work are at the top of their high school. Usually, it's not easy to get into that. And so you're used to achieving and being the best at what you do. And then all of a sudden, you've got people telling you that your shit, like, you know, that's just not fair. And then and then it's about the income levels, which are not as high as human medicine.

Essential Oils And Dental Care For Pets 14:35

Rob Ryan  14:35

Yeah. I have a few quick little notes. So, let's cap off the essential oils I want to take and give you a little personal experience besides the raindrop therapy I did on my older dog when he was 15. I had my yellow lab, a cute yellow lab named Owen, who was very friendly. He put his nose through a fence, and a dog bit them, and he had a hole right here. And so it was a pretty big hole. And so I talked to my holistic vet, and she said, Well, just put some Frankincense Boswellia Serrata in a base of oil and give him like three times a day to drop on that note, and that not only healed well, it was already healed over; it got rid of the scar tissue.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 15:31

It does. Yeah, it's fantastic; Helichrysum is even a bit better. They call it Immortelle. So, adding helichrysum to your skin blends is fantastic. But helichrysum is very expensive, though most are more expensive than frankincense, helichrysum, and frankincense, and maybe a little bit of lavender. Amazing. Yeah. Well, that's. Yeah, I liked my healing herbs. Yeah.

Rob Ryan  16:00

We can segue over into dentistry. I'm thoroughly fascinated with animal dentistry. So we'll have a super quick background because I'd love your thoughts. So, in my experience again with this cute yellow lab, Owen, he got a hold of a friend's dog, Nylabone, one of those nylon, horrible hard bones, which I highly recommend against because it busted his number three molars in the back both of them.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 16:38

Carnassial is the pre-molar; they look like molars, but you get a lateral slab fracture of the pre-molar four. And in the triad and notation, it's the number eight tooth, usually not the molar branch of it, but the carnassial tooth, the big one.

Rob Ryan  16:57

Okay, would that be Number Three?

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 17:00

Four?

Rob Ryan  17:01

Well, that's four. Okay, I'm wrong about that. Okay. So I noticed because I brush their teeth and my dog's teeth. Read inside. Yeah. And it's a long story. I go to a pure vet dentist.

Root Canals, Dental Pain, And Hygiene In Pets 17:16

Rob Ryan  17:16

And I ended up doing two root canals on him. This is like, I know, this is like,

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak, 17:22

I was out in Colorado.

Rob Ryan  17:23

No, in LA.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 17:24

Did you get a book? Mnemic? We shouldn't mention names.

Rob Ryan  17:27

I am trying to remember. I can't even remember his name and would have to look. But anyway, I went there and got there, so I did one. And then it looked like he said, Let's bring them back. If this happens, it means we need to do another one. And then we ended up doing that on both. Fast forward, like this is like 15 years ago, fast forward like, like seven, eight years, from that root of most to root canals. My holistic vet is impressive. In Colorado, he says, You don't need to do that. He says they're probably going to heal on their own. It's probably us. That happens in the wild, and they heal on their own. Is that your experience with that?

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 18:14

That's incorrect. They don't. So the problem is, as I said, you get one lecture. So in dentistry, and unless you've done a few more years and a lot of extra study and dental radiographs, the dental X-rays already graphs have only been available in the last ten-ish years, like, wow, in the year 2000. I did my membership examination in oral surgery and dentistry. And in those days, we had to use a little box to develop the X-rays, like we had dark rooms. And so you had to put the film into processing. And it was time-consuming. And you know, you'd have to take another picture if it didn't work, and you'd have seven minutes to develop your check, so at least now we've all got digital X-rays and handheld X-ray systems. So you've got to get the angles right. And now, they've got some impressive 3D in human dentistry. Yeah, but 3D even, you know, you can call on ones. Yeah, so the problem that I think not just holistic vets but general vets that still need to do extra study is that they miss a ton of dental disease. So what happens is that if you have a tooth fracture that goes through the enamel and exposes the dentinal tubules, you will get the ingress and migration of bacteria from the oral cavity into the saliva in the tubules. It doesn't have to be into the pulp; it still kills that tooth. And so a lot of dentistry is missed with people and pets, and people put up with many dogs and cats. I see things that have been to other vets almost daily, relatively recently. And then I point out, well, this tooth is fractured. And this one has periodontal disease. And they're like, ah, but I just saw of it the other day, you know, and if you've got a 15-minute schedule for consults, and in that time, what can you cover? Right? So, a lot of dental pain is missed. And then that stuff that we talked about with trigger points. Oh, that's been missed. Yeah, it shouldn't be. But, you know, there's a lot to cover. And

Rob Ryan  20:34

So, was the root canal a good call?

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 20:39

Root canals are tricky, and I don't do them, so that's a three-rooted tooth. And it's pretty hard to eliminate all the bacteria in those teeth. I tend to extract the seals because they're rough on their teeth. So after you do a root canal, they can still go and kill the crown work that you've done. I wrote on because I've had that happen, like stuffy. And then I'm like, okay, so we can't do anything hard now because the tooth will be more fragile. And they'll, they're potentially going to break it. Well, you can't explain that to a dog. So I've had them come in, and they said, Well, we're not feeding burns or anything hard. But here's the TV remote control on the ground. So then you have to look at redoing the root canal and then putting an artificial crown on, which can be made of porcelain or metal, usually a stainless steel blend. And so you have to get the dental technician to do that. You have to do an impression smear; it's got to fit right, and you've got to make sure that the glue stuff you use takes well, so it's quite complicated. So, most of us nowadays tend to extract those kinds of steel teeth. And they do okay; the problem is, if you don't have that kind of steel tooth, then the lower molar that opposes it will not be self-cleaning because they're not generally going to chew on that because they're missing that, too. So then you have to brush that too. But from a hygiene point of view, and the fact that you can have a focus of dental infection if you haven't been able to get rid of all the crap out of that kind of tooth because it's hard as the three readers to, and also because there's a horizontal part of the canal, And so, cleaning and getting rid of all the bacteria when you're putting the filling in the root canal can be problematic. So many people have problems with their root canals; they sit there, smoke, and there's bone infection and osteomyelitis. Removing the tooth gets rid of that problem. But then you don't have a great bite; as I said, there's nothing. So you have to contact them to ensure you chew on that side. But that's easily addressed just by brushing that area. But you have to brush it once a day, every day. And usually, an electric toothbrush is an excellent idea. So it's better not to break the teeth. And so that comes back to: What do we allow the dog to chew? Labradors are particularly problematic because they don't know when to stop. After all, it's about the type of bone, and so I tell people tied to the camera that the knuckle part of the bone is, in part, the cancellous bone that's that soft; they don't break their teeth on that. But when you get down to the shaft and the weight-bearing part, that's where they break their teeth. Don't feed chop bones like that because they get stuck on the canal seal, spike down, and get a lateral slab fracture. So those are the common places where they break their teeth that seal on the upper maxillary jaw.

Dental Care For Pets, Including X-rays and Extraction Techniques 23:39

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 23:39

Lateral slab fractures are quite common and commonly missed. I had a little dog the other day, a little Datsun. And it came to see me for skin irritation and skin itch. Then, I checked the teeth for both kinds of seal lateral slab fractures. And it's a three-root tooth. So, the extraction techniques are quite important. So when I tell people when they're going to have dentistry, if you're going to a vet to have these procedures, ask if they've got dental X-rays because if they have, they've done some extra training. Hopefully, they won't break off a bit of the root and leave it in. I've also had to go and dig out those bits of roots that are left in, and you'll get a draining sinus because the roots got infection left there. And so it eats into the bone, and you get an osteitis, so you know, a voting infection, so it's a bit tricky. Yeah. So the other thing that's missing is often the canine teeth in cats; the pulp of the canine cavity of the cat's teeth goes to within one millimeter of the tip of the crown. So they'll often fracture a little bit off, and you'll think it's okay, but it's like an open straw for the bacteria in the mouth to go straight up the highway into the bone, right? So it would help if you watched those cats, T., and very often, that's missed. And you can tell after time that the tooth dies and the color of the tooth becomes yellow. So you compare, say, one tooth that is broken and the other three that are fine. The other three have a whiter appearance, and the broken tooth that's infected and dead will be more yellow. So that's a telltale sign. Yeah, and just with cats, you have to ensure you're watching for the shape. And if that little tip is missing, yeah, that's a problem; it has to go.

Rob Ryan  25:29

It's a couple of things you're bringing up: it's essential, just as much as it is to, you know, have your hands all over your dog, feel their fur, and identify, let's say, a tick on your dog. It's also essential to open up the mouth, get in there, and brush, not only for brushing sake but also to see what's going on.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 25:51

Yeah, and actually, you don't have to open very much. And so with cats, I tell people don't put your finger in the cat's mouth because their mouths are filthy. And if they bite you, you can end up in the hospital. So you get a cotton tip. And you use a cotton tip or a soft, rubbery toothbrush and put something delicious on the end of it. So we've got these little tuna patties, chicken patties, or liver patties, and get them to do that; even butter is a good idea. Not margarine. The exciting story about mitering reminds me later, but if you put this in and get them to lick it, and also just put some on their nose, like a bit of butter, and then just had, you know, acupuncture points, calm, calm, massage the back of the neck.

Treating Hyperthyroidism In Cats And Dentistry For Pets 26:35

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 26:35

And then you can do that and have a good look. So, opening is different from what you want to do. Because if you open it, it's tight, and you can't do that. See the open? You can't see the back. So if you keep it closed and do that, you can see more. Yeah,

Rob Ryan  26:55

yeah. And coconut oil.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 26:59

Having more animal fat than coconut oil with a cat would be best. Lots of people want to give coconut oil to cats. It could be more helpful. You can use it. The medium-chain triglycerides of coconut oil are good for brain function in general in mammals, but butter is probably better the rest of the time. Yeah, I was going to mention the margarine. So I had a hypothyroid cat, and the owner of her own bat decided that she would use a cholesterol-lowering margarine that they sell. But this is the exciting thing. It helped her, though. So, going from hyperthyroid, it was a cholesterol-lowering margarine. And when you think about it, cholesterol is needed to make all your hormones, right? So, when you look at the chemistry of hormones, they all have a cholesterol ring. Yeah, and then you add on, and it makes adrenaline, it produces cortisol, it makes thyroid, it makes estrogen, it makes progesterone, all with the cholesterol. That's why you need cholesterol. So with humans, when you see a doctor, and they go, your cholesterol is too high. Well, there are two problems with that. One is that they still need to measure the HDL, the LDL, or the VDL. So you can't just make a statement about cholesterol and humans and say you have too much cholesterol because you want HDL. It's good cholesterol. But anyway, this lady and her 20-year-old cat can't argue with that. And she decided on her end that cholesterol is not good. So I'm going to give this cholesterol-lowering Motrin, and it helped her hyperthyroid cat because it couldn't make the thyroxin it was making before. After all, it was losing out on cholesterol. I thought, Well, that's an exciting sequence of treatments. I never would have thought of that. She invented it. We don't do that to cats. We don't feed into my dream. I dream that, like, Oh, this is a treatment.

Rob Ryan  28:58

Interesting. If you're at 20, you're probably low on the other hormones. We should treat that thyroid for the remaining years, and you shouldn't worry too much about the other.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 29:14

We treat hyperthyroidism in cats because it elevates the blood pressure, and they blow out the retina and become blind suddenly. So that's one good reason to treat hyperthyroid cats. And so we have, you know, things that lower the thyroid level with chemicals. We also use Google weed, motherwort, and lemon balm, and the three herbs that we mix with some drugs seem to allow you to use low amounts of drugs. But it was super interesting that the margarine thing did that. So that's another little trick.

Rob Ryan  29:53

Where do you come from? What do you come out on in terms of anesthesia and dentistry? Do you like that? Or no, sir.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 30:05

So, all the other qualified dentists and specialists hate that. Dentists prefer to do something other than this, but the general practitioner's grade in dentistry is one to four. That makes no sense to me because if you've got a child that needs to be extracted when you put that in grade four, the grading system stinks and doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But regarding those people claiming to do dentistry, I went to a dental communications conference in America, and there's a great vet dental conference now in America; there are 1000s of people there; you know, I've got the numbers. And there, I was sharing a hotel room with one of these while she was a dog breeder and a groomer, but she had trained under, I think, a prosthodontist or endodontist in the UK. So, she was a dental assistant for many, many years. She knew the tools, how to clean things, and could recognize the periodontal disease. So, she was doing this anesthesia-free thing to the pets. And so we were sitting in the lecture room together because we were sharing a hotel room. And the lecturer discovered who she was and made her leave the conference. And I was insulted by that. I felt that wasn't fair. So there's a vast range of people who are doing that. So this woman was well trained and referred to that dentist when she saw things that needed that.

Dental Care For Dogs, Including Anesthesia Use 31:48

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 31:48

So, the big issue is that you can't see underneath the gum line. And many of these people are shutting down the dog's or the cat's behavior. So they're wrapping them and not having a fear of free things; they're shutting the animal down. Yeah. And then it hurts to use some of these instruments, and they can't clean underneath the gum line correctly. I've seen multiple cases where there's just a bit of calculus at Super Gingival. And the gum lines are not red and inflamed, and it's not a significant problem. And you're just getting a little bit back to square one and chewing on a cancellous. Raw meaty bone, a rib bone, or a frozen chicken carcass frame will usually clean that up. But there are generally about four areas that it needs to clean up naturally. And that's on the lateral part. Kids have the buckled portion of their canine teeth and lateral incisors. So those two are on each side of that. 40. And then yeah, just on the buckle, the lip side. Yeah. So, generally, the tongue does a good job cleaning the inside. So often, there's not a lot of calculus; unlike humans, there's often more calculus inside their tongues. But yeah, it's a good idea for people to look. And I have clients that use the back of a spoon, like a calculator. It's a super gingival thing; they use a scoop like that, which gets the calculus off. So, some of those anesthesia-free guys are okay. But some are not. And people sometimes pay quite a lot of money, maybe $500, and believe they are getting a good job done. And then we'll see the animal later—you know, weeks or months later. And there are loose teeth and this periodontist problem, you know, periodontal problems, and they needed, I mean, they were wasting their time and money, and the animals were not being treated accordingly to what I mean; The outside could look a lot better; they've got some calculus off of the super gingival; you know, below the gum line stuff, the stuff underneath the gum line is not being addressed with those people in general.

Rob Ryan  34:06

So when you say they're shutting the animals down by wrapping them, what does that mean? I would not want my dog to be suppressed or, you know, have to go through that. You know, in a conscious state, and I'll tell you in a second what I do with my dog, which is different than anesthesia, but do you think that's for most dogs? Is it not healthy mentally, or is it even like it can?

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 34:47

That can be the case. But it does vary a bit. So, some not-qualified vets are doing that but have yet to gain much experience with animal handling. And you know, like, for instance, Cesar Millan, many people don't like him, but many still like him. I was able to acupuncture a dog for his show when he came around Australia, and we had a good chat. He's got black belts in martial arts. So, his body is still calm, and he can calm most dogs with his body, mind, and spirit. Depending on their qualifications and how they approach the animal, some anesthesia-free dentist-type people are probably not shutting down and are relaxed, allowing them to do their job. Some might have experience with animal massage and can produce those endorphins. And so it's hard for me to make that blanket statement. Still, they are specialists, and dentures see far more harm than good in the cases that come. Mostly, that's to do with the fact that the owner has been going to an anesthesia-free denture, quote, unquote, every six months or years, spending lots of money, and thinking they're doing a good job. And, underneath the gum line, it isn't enjoyable. And they need to get the job done.

Rob Ryan  36:14

Yeah. So, are you also suggesting that they be given some anesthesia so that you can look and clean deep under the gums and take pictures?

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 36:29

You can't film in the mouth without the animal biting and wrecking your expensive stuff. I get a good picture because it moves so

Rob Ryan  36:39

I've let my dogs get Twilight sleep for the last ten years. And they get complete dentistry and deep cleaning from our vet. But you can reverse that quickly. And sedatives. Yeah. So what do you think of that?

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 37:02

If you're doing what you're doing, which sounds like you are, and you're brushing, you've got good oral hygiene. And so, you don't need to knock them completely out. But many cases require better oral hygiene and must be knocked out entirely. So.

Rob Ryan  37:17

Right, because it's painful to get in there, clean it, and do it right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's great. That's good—excellent advice. So tell me, you've done quite a bit of work. Or you've done something like Vets Without Borders. And, you know, in Bali, the Cook Islands, and northern India. Yeah. I'm curious how these dogs are like, let's say, Bali, which I'm very jealous of. I know. It's a hop, skip, and jump for you.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak, 37:48

Come November 3 to 6, you should duck down.

Saving A Bird Species Through Captive Breeding Program 37:53

Rob Ryan  37:53

What do you mean? Well, the

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 37:54

Chi Institute has its annual vet conference, which is on the seventh. So I'm speaking and giving a lecture there. Before COVID, I usually go over to this little island, Nusa Penida, where I've made many friends and have been like their white Eboo. I used to go. I was one of the first tourists, which was super fun. I'd be walking along the beach, and you'd hear, co-founder, who's this? Who is this? And it was to a friend who's a vet in Bali. And he did this amazing work, saving a species from extinction. The Bali style is a little white bird with this blue eye and so emblem verbally. And there were only seven or so birds in the wild left because the agriculture people that like to keep birds would go and get them kind of illegally as the bird trade is, you know, and when he was going through vet school, and as a kid, he always loved birds. So, he decided he would devote his life to saving wildlife. And then he thought he would figure out a captive breeding program to get the numbers up again. He got breeding pairs from the UK and the United States from these rich people. And he came to Australia and met some friends of mine who are bird specialists. So it's Ross Perry and Patricia who won't read the book Every Bird, and so he came out here with his name because you were a Yuda. And he's one of the royal lions in Bali. I think this for King is fine. So he's like Prince. So he came out after he studied that and figured out how to do a captive breeding program for the valley styling and then set it up in Bali, but he figured out that the birds were selling for about $10,000, which sets a Balinese family up for life. You can see why they did what they did illegally. But he figured that if he did the captive breeding program in Bali, they would get pilfered, so that wouldn't work. So he and another vet friend called a bomb, went to this little island of Nusa Penida, known as a sacred island. People go there all over Indonesia to pray at the PED temple once in their lives. And so he and BombBomb went around to the whole island and went to the little communities, about 30 of them, and got them all to sign a week-long agreement that they would look after the wildlife and not steal or sell it. And so they spent three years doing that. And then, they set up this captive breeding program in Nusa Penida. And I wrote a children's book about this story. And then they were able to raise these birds there. And now hundreds of birds eat that.

Cancer And Environmental Health With A Personal Story From Bali 40:51

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak  40:51

And so that's my connection to this little island. It's quite a spiritual island. It's quite cool. And so during that time, when I went, I made a little eco-tour group with my friend Ross Perry, who's since passed away. And then there were a few other VIP friends that came across. When I went on this eco-tour, we had a young student who had just finished high school and worked for Dr. Bali in his breeding program. And so his job to look after the tourists was to look up to me and a friend, and he made us breakfast, and I was on the back of his motorcycle with anything I needed. He went and got it. It was nice. And so I was just there for a few days, like four days. And I liked the island because of the snorkeling, and I grew up in Hawaii. And so I was used to, you know, going snorkeling on the beach and stuff, and it's perfect; you walk off the beach, you can do the drop-off, and the corals are there. And they have seaweed farms around there. A recent meeting with Julia Roberts talks about this. They filmed it in Australia during COVID. But it's about Nusa Penida that I was so shocked when I watched it. So anyway, this kid connected with data and became a good friend of mine. I asked him before I left what he wanted to do with his life. And he said he wanted to be a bit like you, but there was no way he could afford it. So, his parents and most people on that island made money doing seaweed farms, and their income was about $2,000 a year. That's it. And I was like, How do you afford to make a house? And he said, Oh, that's easy. We called our friends over on Sunday. Can you help us build a house? And they do? And I said, Well, how do you pay them back? Oh, that's easy. When they want to build a house. We go to their place. I was like, Oh, okay, that's cool. But studying Giuliana to become a vet was $1,000 a year. And when I found out it was $1,000, I went, That's okay, you can do that. So, I made a scholarship for him. And Pat McWhirter, who, right, every bird also helped. So we put him through, and he was like the president of his school. And then he did well at Giuliana. So he's been out for several years and fell in love with the student. That was one year behind him. Her name is Bulan. So they both fit in. They got married about three years ago, and I was able to go to their wedding. It was amazing. I should send you some photos. Yeah, so he's like the only event on the island. And because he did well and was well-liked, They gave him a free scholarship for his brother. So they're both vital on the island.

Rob Ryan  43:18

Wow. Yes. Send me those pictures. We'll put them in here. Yeah. So do you. Do you see any? I'm always curious. For other countries where dogs are roaming around, you know, scavenging. Do you notice any differences in dogs' health compared to Australia or the United States? Or, you know, yeah, so

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak  43:41

Indian Bali is an exciting story in Bali. So they're more Hindu in Bali, similar to India. And they put out little offerings and little kinds of square baskets. And they put an incense stick. So it's usually rice. And they do this three times daily, so you'll see them outside. So the dogs get around to eat that. But I typically find the dog attaching itself to me wherever I go. And you get them. It's like your buddy. It was my dog. Okay, fine. And I'd be walking along the beach, and everybody goes, is that your dog? I'm like, for now. Anyway, I was having, you know, toast and butter. And I put a bit of toast up through one of these songs. It was hanging out with me. And it looked at me, and when it wanted the butter, it wanted the fat. And that's what you'd see on the coats. They're just dry and harsh, and they need the fat. So they, you know, get free carbohydrates from eating the offerings, which is saffron, which is lovely. It's got turmeric in it, which is good. But yeah, they needed the fat. And in India, we were trying to get those dogs healthy. So cows are richly tested, so they don't want to feed the cow, but they will feed a goat, so we got them to give them goat bones and things from the local butcher. Yeah, to get that. Yeah. So they're not all that healthy, but some of them are, you know, people fed out of the restaurant scrubs. Yeah.

Rob Ryan  45:20

Wow. Let's spend our remaining time, which is about 15 minutes. Let's talk about your interests and work in cancer. So I know it's mostly the two big buckets we have that you're interested in—our dentistry in cancer, right? Kind of, we can most.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 45:39

Simplify. It's what's happened to my Yeah, working. Yeah, yeah, where you've gone.

Rob Ryan  45:43

So, let's get into cancer. How do you know how to start on that topic? That big?

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 45:51

Yeah, going back to what we need to do to clean up the planet and try and stop these horrible agriculture chemicals coming in.

Glyphosate's Harmful Effects On Human And Animal Health 46:00

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 46:00

Glyphosate is a big thing. Stephanie Seneff, if you want to look at some of her work at MIT, SC N, E, F, F. She's done the most job in this area. And then Kennedy has some exciting information. There are all kinds of lawsuits at the moment, and a gardener at a school was wearing a backpack of weed killer glyphosate, Roundup. And he ended up getting all these cancers. You know, there's a prominent link between lymphoma and leukemia. I had a human patient yesterday, a one-year-old child treated for leukemia. So there's a link; it also comes through breast milk. And the problem with the wheat industry is that they ripen the grain.

Rob Ryan  46:56

with crops and use it as a desiccant.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 46:59

Correct, to ripen the grain. And so when they get a 70% yield, the grain has to turn yellow; when they spray it, they get a 90% yield, so they get more money. So they're thinking, Was it safe? Because humans don't have a shared metabolic pathway, they haven't figured out that mammals, humans, and all mammals are 90% bacteria in our gut and 10% humans or 10% mammals. So we rely on our gut to make serotonin and endorphins, vitamin D, and vitamin K. Initially, glyphosate was an antibiotic. And so what we're doing when eating that with our wheat, our flowers, and our bread is wiping out our good bugs. And not only that, it's a great growth promotion for the gram negatives. So all the things that cause inflammatory bowel and gut problems are being helped when you're eating the wheat in the grain. That's why there are so many celiac-sensitive people. Is it the gluten, or is it the glyphosate? So this is a big thing. And it's a big thing with the pet food industry. When you read the bag of food, no matter what brand it is, if it's rich, it can be split up in the label into wheat and gluten. They use gluten to hold the grains and the product together. Yes, sticky, sticky protein. And they also count it as the percentage of protein when you're doing the AAFCO analysis because it's protein. So that's a big problem. We need to get those chemicals out. So, in most places in Europe, it's outlawed. So you can get flour from Italy. And the soils in Italy are also better than the soils in Australia. The grounds are deficient here in selenium and foreign manganese. So having some of the if you're going to do flour and maybe use Italian and get the pasta if you got any carbs, basically in dogs, for instance, as you know, there is a zero requirement for clubs. I need to follow your program. Have you had Karen Becker and Rodney Habib? Oh, you have to. They're wonderful. Yeah. Oh, wonderful. Yeah, yeah. So her book, their book, is so mind-blowing for most people. So, before my consoles, I will get the Forever dog. It's on Audible. Yeah, they cover all of that area quite well. Yeah. Yeah.

Rob Ryan: 49:41

Well, that's excellent advice, and I buy pasta from Italy. What is it called? Bronze stamped. What is that called? Bronze? Yeah. Yeah. Something like that where there's minimal processing. Yeah. Yeah, it's perfect over there. Yeah, the glyphosate is. We have yet to learn. We could talk about it for hours without knowing how bad it is. We know it isn't enjoyable.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 50:11

You know, it's falling apart. It's so sad. Hashimoto's thyroiditis is super common and commonly missed. Thyroid problems in pets and people are unfortunately ignored. So in dogs, I'm always like, if they've got a rat's tail, they've got a demon about the weight gain. Their coat doesn't look great; check the T for that, but that's only a tiny part of looking at the total thyroid picture. It would help if you looked at thyroid autoantibodies, and nobody's checking those or dogs in general. And in humans, they look at the TSH. And it's based on a sick population. So your thyroid stimulating hormone levels that they see as usual are 0.2 to five.

Some of the labs have cut that back to four. But really, anything over two is a problem. When you have to put a TSH up over two, you've got a problem. But to get the doctors to check, someone's got to pay for all these blood tests in Australia; we have a perfect healthcare system. A lot of our stuff is free. And so I'm happy for people. Yeah, for people. Yeah. So, you must ask your doctor all these correct questions to complete the testing. I've got unexpected weight gain; I've gained one kilo every week for the last few weeks, and my hair's falling out in the lateral filled my eyebrows. So I tell them to state everything, and maybe they'll test you properly.

Otherwise, you have to pay for the extra bit because the government will pay for TSH, but they won't necessarily pay for autoantibodies. Now, the same with dogs. You'll send stuff to Gene's dogs; the local labs don't do that. Yeah, most vets have their own in-house thing. So I look at the T-four in the dog and go. If it's low or average and they've got two or three signs, we treat it because this is a problem nowadays; when people are short on money and income, many people have lost their jobs to COVID. Crab. And it's hard. Yeah. So

Environmental Issues And Recycling Projects 52:12

Rob Ryan  52:12

Can you work with my older dogs? You know, we do regular blood testing. And then, when you see an indication of something, you can go deeper and spend the money on a thyroid. You don't have to write at the beginning. But if you see any indication, you can go into the home pet.org website, and they have, like, I remember I did the gold, the thyroid panel that explains briefly that Dr. Jean Dogs has her stats are not based on sick dogs.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 52:48

Yeah, she's looked at breeds. And she's because greyhounds have a lower level, and different species have different stories. And vets. And a lot of pathologists don't agree with her. But I do. She knows her stuff. She's an intelligent lady.

Rob Ryan  53:04

Several holistic vets say that the only way to go is more profound. And if you go to their website, shout out to chemopet.org. If you look at their thyroid tests, they're ridiculously comprehensive. As a layman, you'll always need help to sort through it. Have your vet. If your vet doesn't know what they're looking at, you should look for another vet. That's my opinion.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak  53:31

And try to educate them and get them to have a look. Yeah,

Rob Ryan  53:36

Yeah, I mean, I'm all for that. But you might have to move if you can't do that. But yeah, did you say the Sheikah pathway is absent in dogs?

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 53:51

Yeah, it's not a mammalian metabolic pathway in plants. That's why it kills the plants. And it's used by the bacteria. And so their thinking was, It's got to be safe for humans because we don't have a checkmate pathway. It's toad medicine. You know, in Australia, they introduce cane toads to try and help eliminate the insects in the cane fields. And then it kills all the dogs because of the Bufo toxins in the back of their heads. We call it cane toad medicine. This is a good idea. Let's do this.

Rob Ryan  54:24

Messing with nature and

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 54:26

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Rob Ryan  54:28

Wow. That's incredible.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 54:30

They were going back to fixing the planet and fixing people. So, the microplastics are the most significant thing we can address right now, which will be a horrible, horrible mess. Because, you know, especially in Asian countries where they don't have good recycling, we're trying to get that going. This is my latest project, so you should come November 3–6 in the Valley. So I've got another student that I helped through university, and he's a teacher. He was. I'm interested in physics. So I'm friends with the local English teacher at the high school there. And so, for NIDA, if I asked him to give me another student, I'd put my vet student first. And he recommended this student, who was at the top of his class, and his dad's a priest on this island, as well as this Peter. And so I helped him through university. And together, we have all these little projects, which have been of considerable interest in my life and have made it super enjoyable. So he's interested in ecology and also recycling plastic. So, in this latest project, we read a little story about a pretend kid picking up plastics from the beach, recycling them, and making them into eco-bricks. A Canadian developed eco-bricks in 1990, and they're the plastic drinking bottles that everybody buys because you can't drink tap water. And then they just got them. And then the plastic, soft packaging, and all the snack foods littered the beaches and went into the ocean, and all the plastic bags—just, you know, they're eaten by turtles and kill their wildlife. So, we've had a few projects in the last few years. One is that we made a library on the island, but we have over 300 kilos of books with some friends of mine, and they love the Dr. Seuss books. And they use them to learn to speak English and other things. And then they needed books in their language. And so they have a local Penida language and then Bahasa Indonesian. And they don't know a lot of English, so I had the kids write a story. And it had to be an ecology story. They have this giant sunfish called the Mala Mala that they're pretty famous for. So, many kids chose to write a story about the molar, eating a plastic bag, and dying, and we had them draw the pictures, and I produced the books for them. And we put them in the library. And they had the three languages in them. They spoke English, were Canadian, and were Bahasa Indonesian. So we did that and said this: This last project is about getting the kids to make a bunch of eco-bricks and a garden. So, I'm giving scholarships to the kids who made the best garden and recycled the most. And so that's this last project.

Plastic Waste And Sustainable Solutions 57:21

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 57:21

And then we're trying to get the Finnish government to make the sinkhole eco-blocks. This is fascinating about Lombok, one of the islands that nearly disappeared in Indonesia. They have gone through an earthquake; many of the schools in 2018 were demolished, and many buildings fell down the hill. But this fantastic technology in Finland was developed, and they take their plastics, melt them down with wood, and make these things called Eco blocks. And they're like Legos like to speak. Okay, they evaded these eco-blocks in Finland, shipped them out, and built the school in three days. So you lay the concrete down, and then you've just got all these Legos, and you just Lego them, and technology means these blocks will last forever. After one hundred years, they look good. And because they're like Legos, you block them into each other and build a building. And it's super easy to do. So in this little book I wrote, I'll flick it to you; you'll send me your email; I've got it; I'll send it to you. And yeah, so we're trying, so in this book that I wrote, this pretend kid is asking the finish to come in and build a factory to make eco-blocks. If we can get a lot of eco-bricks, then plastics will become a commodity. So we're trying to get them to save the plastics in a container near the beach so that you can access them because they don't have that system, you know, so I've got people making big nets so that the tourists and the locals can throw their plastics into it. So it's all collected. And then they can recycle them into eco-bricks or eco-blocks. They won't just throw them away if they're seen as commodities, so they get help.

Rob Ryan  59:12

That's an incredible solution to create a commodity. What do you think about all of this, like athleisure wear that's like nylon, and when it gets washed, those are microplastics going into the water supply? Like, what do we do about that?

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 59:32

Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah. Yeah, I'm hoping that the bacteria and the things that break down plastics will start to take over, and there's got to be a natural solution.

Rob Ryan  59:44

Yeah, I'm not sure it was mushrooms. Yeah, yeah. On that note, I'm at an hour, and Dr. Cebuliak, this has been amazing. This has been a stimulating conversation, and I appreciate all you're doing over there and your offer to go to Bali. I need more than a month's notice, but want to go online virtually.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 1:00:15

You are, you just.

Rob Ryan  1:00:18

I would love to do that. I would love to jump on a plane and have unlimited watermelon juice, your favorite being beautiful Bali. Are you kidding me? Oh, the jet movie

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak, 1:00:30

I had the jammer is turmeric and pineapple online usually. Oh, so good for you. Yeah.

Rob Ryan  1:00:40

Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's entirely totally on my list. Next year, in 2024, I'll be in Australia. So

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 1:00:49

You know, the Pet Summit, guys. Yeah, he lives in Bali. Now. He goes to hang out with

Rob Ryan  1:00:56

him. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Scott

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak 1:00:58

Is it in Bali? Yeah, I did something a few months ago. Yeah.

Rob Ryan  1:01:03

Yeah, yeah. No, I. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak  1:01:06

I asked him, and I said, You speak the hustle. He had to look up what the hustle was. Why? It was funny. Yeah. So that's why the date is when we're giving out those scholarships. So that's November 4; we're going around to the schools and giving out the kid's scholarships. So that's why you should. Oh, that's wonderful. Yeah, it's good for international people to see that. And then, that's the biggest. That's the biggest, most important thing we can do with our lives; we can help dogs eat better. We can help them live longer, but we've got to save the planet. We've got to save the wildlife. We must save the fish because that saves ourselves and the dogs. Yeah. Yeah.

Rob Ryan  1:01:49

Amen to that. Well, on that note, thank you, Dr. Sebi. This has been so nice, and I hope to continue our conversations with you. It will now be pen pals.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak  1:01:59

Okay. I'll send you some of the stories that you have.

Rob Ryan  1:02:04

Send me those pictures. I'll put them on the show. Okay. All right. Have a great rest of your day, and thanks so much.

Dr. Elaine Cebuliak  1:02:12

You're welcome. Okay, bye.