Photonic Health: Light Therapy for Dogs, Cats & Horses | Gussy's Gut

Photonic Health: Light Therapy for Dogs, Cats, & Horses | Bryan Owen | Donna Woods | Rob Ryan | Gussy's Gut

Light Therapy For Dogs And Its Benefits 0:02

  • Rob Ryan Discusses His Use of Red Light Therapy Beds at a Gym and Lasers for His Canines
  • Ryan Introduces Donna and Brian from, Who Make Dog-Friendly Lighting Equipment

Light Therapy Colors And Their Effects On The Body 3:01

  • Donna and Bryan Owen Discuss How 660-nanometer Light Therapy Heals the Body
  • Bryan Owen Discusses How Different Light Therapy Hues Can Relax Muscles and Activate the Pineal Gland

Sound Therapy And Its Applications 6:29

  • Bryan Owen Discusses How Their Devices Use Sound Treatment, Including Near-Infrared and Therapeutic Frequencies, for Joint and Energy Medicine
  • Rob Ryan Describes How He Used Sound Therapy on His Dogs and Saw Precise Results and How He Used It in His Goods

Red Light Therapy For Pets And Wellness 9:22

  • Donna Describes How the Company's Straw-Like Technology Delivers Light Deeper into the Skin to Prevent Cell Damage
  • Rob Ryan Asks Donna Why Most Customers Don't Know About the Technology's Benefits Despite the Company's Efforts
  • Donna Woods: Lack of Adequate Use Instruction Will Kill Most Red Light Therapy Enterprises in Two Years
  • Bryan Owen: Using Light Therapy Once or Twice a Week Can Significantly Improve Animal Health Without Daily Treatment. Rob Ryan Emphasizes Preventative Care, Citing Yawning and Deep Breathing as Markers of Healthiness

Using Light Therapy For Pet Health Issues 15:53

  • Rob Ryan Discusses How Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy Made Care for a Terminally Sick Dog Cheaper and Easier
  • Products That Light Blood to Kill Germs or Enhance Macrophage Cells Can Help the Body Fight Viruses, Says Brian
  • Blue Light Therapy Can Eliminate Bacteria Around Teeth and Heal Skin Concerns, According to Bryan Owen
  • Bryan Owen Also Suggests Using Dental Attachments, Which Are Curved Tips on the Front of a Gadget to Reach the Gum Line and Remove Microorganisms

Light Therapy For Dogs' Health 21:19

  • Donna Woods Shares Her Experience of Witnessing Quick Results After Modifying Their Dog's Food and Using Microbubble Therapy for Yeast Infections with Rob Ryan
  • Rob Ryan Suggests Combining Microbubble Therapy with Food Adjustments to Improve Dog Health
  • Rob Ryan Highlights How Light Therapy Can Complement Other Treatments and Prevent Dog Health Issues
  • Bryan Owen Discusses Red and Blue Light Therapy for Dogs, Including Bacteria Eradication and Irritated Gums
  • Rob Ryan Is Investigating a Solution to Reduce His Dog's Dental Cleanings and Veterinary Appointments, Saving Time and Money
  • His Advice Is to "Give It a Go" and See the Product's Benefits for Yourself, Even if It Costs $200 Instead of $2000

Light Therapy For Pets With A Focus On Affordability And Customer Support 29:49

  • Donna Woods Emphasizes Customer Support and Education, Offering Products with Varied Pricing and Features to Fit Different Needs and Budgets
  • Bryan Owen Highlights the Company's Commitment to Sound, Better, and Greatest Models, with the Most Basic Model Costing $500 and Delivering Full Support and Education
  • Rob Ryan Recommends Spending More Time or Money on Pet Light Therapy Products with More Strength and Colors
  • Pet Owners Who Prefer Light Therapy May Find Photonic Health Devices Like Lasers More Convenient and Cost-Effective Than in-Clinic Vet Appointments, According to Rob Ryan

Light Therapy For Dogs With Experts 36:12

  • Veterinarians and Physical Therapists Compare Cold Laser and LED Light Therapy for Animals
  • Donna and Brian from Photonic Health Discuss Their Dog Light Treatment Gadget and Its Benefits for Skin, Mood, and Anxiety
  • Their $25 First-Purchase Discount and 100% 90-day Money-Back Guarantee Make It Risk-Free for Dog Owners to Try Their Product

Light Therapy For Dogs And Its Benefits 0:02

Rob Ryan  00:02

Hey everybody, welcome to our show on Gussy's Gut. I want to welcome Donna and Brian from I'm always excited when there's three of us on. It's just enough to be almost unruly, right? But this will be a fantastic show because we will talk about healing everyone. So, if you don't mind, let me know. Can I give you guys an intro into my background with photonic health? Yep. Now, your website is on the topic of photonic health. So I've hired for my wellness, I've hired amazing doctors, and my first doctor who cured my 13-year SLEEP DISORDER edit went to the best sleep disorder clinics and went to neurologists. They couldn't figure it out; this doctor figured it out. He believed in photonic nutrition. So that is nutrition from the sun. And you know, it's greens, and you know, really, really, really healthy stuff. And this was like, we're talking like, oh, my gosh, 20 to 24 years ago, something like that. And so he believed in consuming things—consuming photonic health. He also believed in light therapy. He created and patented a device with micro-vibrations and lights in it. And he's just a genius. He's a great guy; shout out to Robert Millman. And in Nevada, so he gave me my introduction to this. And it made complete sense when he told me, he just said, Look, you want to consume as much actual sun and as many things from the sun and the light as you possibly can. So that's a little bit of my background; I went to a gym a few decades ago. Specifically, I go to this gym because they have red light therapy, red light, and infrared beds. One of my doctors, my doctor who I have, he has other lights that I like to go to. So I'm all in personally, and my dogs, I've done lasers, I've done light therapy, and I've done all kinds of stuff to my dogs; I think it's an excellent strategy for wellness and treatment. So, with that, let us talk about how you guys make devices that can bring light into a dog's world into the home. And let's talk about, first and foremost, without talking specifically about the devices. Can we talk about the different lights? Who wants to take a stab at just going through what the other lights do to give our audience a quick, get them up to speed?

Light Therapy Colors And Their Effects On The Body 3:01

Donna Woods  03:01

Brian's the engineer, so he is the engineer and designer of all of our products. And he has been so, and we all started as end users of light therapy way back in 2002. So you know, we've been in the industry for a very long time. And we started our company in 2008. So, Brian, you want to talk a little bit about the three, the four colors that we focus on?

Bryan Owen  03:27

Well, the main thing we look at is different color vibrations that do different types of healing in the body. So most people think of coal-level laser or, you know, light therapy as red, which is the most common color. And in the thing, the red has a variation of vibrations from 620 up to 690 nanometers. And that means that the beat of that color creates that nanometer output color and vibration it produces. And each one of those has different depths of penetration going into the body. So the higher the number, the higher the vibration, typically the more depth of penetration you get. So in what we use, we found that there's an overall number that works well, which is 660 nanometers, that gives us 630 only gets you to skin level, six, higher net you're not you're bypassing some of the skin and different things you're doing. So we want to, and we discovered that reading can do four significant things for you. One can stimulate and acupoint two and a half to 10 seconds. So you can do acupuncture and heal 60 80% faster with light than without it. You can also release muscle tissue, so we often work on different muscles: the belly of the muscle, the insertion, the attachment, and the release muscles. It helps as far as chiropractic goes because we all know that your four feet are something metric, and they're out because they're asymmetrical somehow. And then the other one is there's a, where we're antibiotic antiviral, so we can eliminate viruses in the system, just by putting into the bloodstream. From there, we've gone into blue light, which is using anti-bacterial, we've gone green light. Green is for skin issues, but it gets into the pineal gland, which puts them back into parasympathetic mode, which is lovely. So, like animals flipping out a little bit or sore or scared of light, we can hit them with green to clean the eyes with the Qiantang. Right away, they lick, chew, and yawn within seconds.

Bryan Owen  05:41

Six seconds, 30 seconds. Yeah.

Bryan Owen  05:41

 And then the other color we use is called Near Infrared, an invisible color. But it gives you a much deeper penetration that's up there in the, you know, the 800-850 range versus the 660.

Rob Ryan  05:56

So, let's look deeper than infrared itself.

Bryan Owen  06:00

infrared is higher than that.

Donna Woods  06:02

Well, so there's, there's near-infrared, and there's far infrared. Most Saunas are far infrared saunas. So you want to stay in the near-infrared range because far infrared has some downsides. Our goal is to create devices that nobody can misuse. And no, nobody, no animal can get harmed by it. So yeah,

Sound Therapy And Its Applications 6:29

Photonic Health: Light Therapy for Dogs, Cats, & Horses | Bryan Owen | Donna Woods | Rob Ryan | Gussy's Gut

Rob Ryan  06:29

yeah, you're, I understand because, you know, what, what Brian is explaining as your you've picked some sweet spots of frequencies and, and settings that make it hard to misuse, but also are, you know, addressing most uses in common, you know, it's, it has to be an exciting challenge to, you know, not create four different versions of a red light.

Bryan Owen  06:55

You know, the thing is, you got to make sure that, like, we do all our in-house testing as well as outside testing, so everything we purchased for parts all get tested by us, so make sure that's correct. The other thing we have also implemented in two hours is introducing koji frequencies into our lights. So, our hertz frequencies come from the healings Dr. Negotiate developed for different body parts and tone vibrations. So, each one of those vibrations creates a tone vibrations. So we use many musical talents, even though sometimes you can't hear them. Then, we put that in a handheld and a pad- or mat-type system to make it easy to put on the animals or in whatever way you want to use it.

Rob Ryan  07:36

I was on, so that's two lights, two colors, right? That's four. Wait, wait, do we go through four already?

Bryan Owen  07:44

Red, green, blue, or blue is anti-bacterial. Then, when you went with green, green was for the skin and for anything that affects them as far as being parasympathetic or sympathetic mode. And then near-infrared, a color you can't see with your naked eyes but can see with a camera.

Rob Ryan  08:03

Okay, so you're in for red and near for red. It was considered a color. Okay, great. So, on the sound therapy, that's another area. When I first heard it, I thought, Come on. Really? That's ridiculous. No, I went to another pretty expensive facility. And one of the things they had were these things that I stood on and held on to, and they sent sound therapy through; you couldn't hear it. Sound therapy through me was SuperMulti vibrational, and I did; I don't remember it as five or 10 minutes or something like that. And it's for that you could do all kinds of settings, but it was mostly for, like, joints and whatnot, worry and all that sort of stuff. So I started to look into it at that point. And that's pretty incredible stuff. This is all just energy medicine. Yes. Everything is energy. Everything's energy. Yeah. Yeah. So I've done cold laser, tons of laser to my dogs, dentists, acupuncture, acupressure, lights, light use, that kind of thing. What else? Anyway, I've done a ton of stuff, but I think I've seen the results are evident in my dogs.

Red Light Therapy For Pets And Wellness 9:22

Rob Ryan  09:22

When you're talking about penetration, Brian and I promised I'm going to give you a question in a second when you talk about penetration. How do you deal with the fur? Does that need to happen because you're not going on the skin? Well,

Bryan Owen  09:37

Most of the lights will get down to skin level. But what we have found out is that it is hollow, and it's almost like a straw. So it just brings it right down into the skin itself. And then it just cascades down to the cellular level, down into the tissue, and down to the bone. So the higher you have milliwatts of power, the faster it will get done. Deeper in and get you more penetration. So, like Donna says, it's kind of like the battery. When you hook it up to a car, the higher and more powerful the storm, the deeper the penetration. Interestingly, we ensure we're in a very safe therapeutic range, so you can't do any damage. So you can't cause it harm. You can't cause burning of the skin. However, we get much deeper penetration than most true lasers that use laser bulbs, which are older technology. They can go very high because they create so much radiation that they can cause cell issues.

Rob Ryan  10:38

That's, well, that makes sense. Because, as you know, I've got a black lab. I used to have a pretty white lab; you would think that the white fur would reflect the sun; they need sun, sunlight, just like we do. And I mean, you feel that it doesn't make any sense that it's not like a reflector or a blanket; it makes sense that it would work like a straw and almost like a conductor. I don't know if that's the right word. That works. All right. Yeah. So Donna, here's my question for you. Yes. Isn't it sad you created this great company? Isn't it sad that most of your customers, I'm betting this is the case, and I haven't asked you this? Are you just using your products for treatment and not wellness? Are you primarily using it for therapy?

Donna Woods  11:31

Correct? Okay, yeah. And the other sad thing is, we're huge on education because there are a lot of red light therapy companies out there, and most of them will be gone within two years just because they're looking at it as, Oh, hey, this is a way to make money. And we didn't start our company because of that. But what we've found since using light since 2002, there are so many different ways to it's just like a guitar, like I could play the basic chords, but then you can get somebody that can, you know, play riffs and like make a guitar screen, right. Brian and I feel like red light therapies the same way because because of our experience, we're Him, and I are learning holics. So we're always taking new classes, learning new things, new strategies, we have a farm. So I've got horses, dogs, and cats that we're always using our lights on. And the saddest thing is people either don't think to use their light, or they use it in the most basic capacity, which is to put it on where it hurts; you're going to get good results if you put it on what hurts, but it can go so much more beyond that. And so that's probably the biggest challenge for us, is educating people that you've got this excellent tool, let's make it sing for you.

Bryan Owen  13:00

And you only have to use it once or twice through two to three times a week; it isn't like you have to do it twice a day, all the time. So if you want, if you have a horse or a dog, and they're prone to colic or diarrhea, you start putting it on those points in our book or right on the abdomen. You can make a huge change and then overnight and maintain it. Wow.

Rob Ryan  13:29

One of the things that breaks my heart is when customer brand new customers come to us and order a trial bag, and they ask us how fast we can ship it because their dog has cancer. Right? And we put all of our, we're happy to be happy. We hope that will be helpful, but we don't know any details about you; I think this happens often. And I wish that people would invest some energy and resources into preventative and wellness and, you know, the, the result of like the yawn that you both described in a deep breath and all of that, like, I mean, wouldn't you want that like every single day at least to happen once a day? You know, so

Donna Woods  14:26

I know, for I know, for me, like my animals are my babies, so it just rips my heart out every time something happens to one of them. And so yeah, so we're always on the preventative, and I think a lot of it is, you know, not lack of education, but no education. What does it look like when your dog is getting sick? You know, and many people say, "Oh, my dog has tear stains. Oh, I'm just going to put a topical whatever on it. No, that's a gut problem. Fix the gut. You know, like, don't wait until it's such a vast, you know,

Rob Ryan  15:03

buy or buy a, you know, they buy a silly pill or a silly chew and, you know, it speaks to the marketing speaks to them and, and, and then they waste a bunch of time. Look, I mean, I wouldn't even say, for anybody listening, please don't just look for signs of illness. Look for, you know, look for create look at creating the wellness signs and the wellness signs of the yawning, the deep breaths, the feeling of content, the, you know, the energy, the clarity in the eyes, all that stuff anyway, we can go down that whole rabbit hole. And also, you know, what I think is worth repeating is always I tell everybody when your animal is in, I call it the penalty box when they're sick.

Using Light Therapy For Pet Health Issues 15:53

Rob Ryan  15:53

It takes a lot of money, a lot of effort, and a lot of heartache to get them out. Yes, it's so much cheaper and more accessible and better to be like, you know, it's almost like paying member the term layaway, like putting something on layaway. Yep, just like, do that instead of this $5,000 expense when your dog has something catastrophic. And the stress is through the roof for you. And you're you still have a job and you're trying to, you know, when I when the like the last year of my dog's my black lab's life that my first black lab buddy, you know, I'm wondering if I was giving him great palliative care, make sure he was super comfortable. I was driving 45 minutes each way, yes, three times a week. Thank goodness I work for myself. People can't do that, you know; the drive was the worst part, to give him hyperbaric oxygen treatments. And those were 45 minutes I had to sit, so it was said three outward fests. And I just thought nobody could do this, and you certainly can't have a hyperbaric at your house. So you know, get those being in the penalty box or you know, being in a situation where you have to, you know, treat, or give therapeutic dosages of something, it's just, it's a whole heck of a lot more expensive, a lot worse, a lot harder to do, you know, so. So one thing you mentioned, Brian, was, I'm sorry if I take it out of context, but it's made me think about something about blood and light and blood. Is there anything you guys have ever done, like putting light on IVs or anything else?

Bryan Owen  17:43

Well, we don't we don't physically do that. But there's there is that out there in the market, I mean, they they do the illuminate blood that they pull out of the body and put it back into incredibly different colors to kill bacteria that's in the blood or the one thing that when Red is applied to blood, it affects the white blood cells which are called the macrophage cells which increase the macrophage cells in the body and that's what attacks the viruses so that the blood is relayed itself isn't killing the virus or destroying the virus because alive it's the cells that it's activating that goes after the virus that takes care of it. So yeah, there's quite a bit out there as far as what we do is we have attachment swirls so you can get them to put you on, like on a dog for going into the mouth so you can eliminate the bacteria around the teeth which is a big one there again preventive on that is huge because it's a lot easier to do that every once in a while than it is to have teeth pulled and nitrogen without you know, feeding them as a mash or something because it can't eat like they usually would. You know, so we use it, we use that a lot. We use the green a lot for skin issues, we use all kinds of bacterial rashes, and we've had some pretty good luck with yeast and the red light. So, especially putting it into the ears. Believe it or not, blue takes ticks or ticks and fleas off your animal, but they will jump just that they go away from it.

Rob Ryan  19:23

Wow. Yeah. What was my vet for two of my dogs earlier in the past? One of them had this yellow lab. He was my yellow lab; Owen didn't matter what health I did for him. He still got his occasional ear yeast infections or guy, and she would throw laser in there, but that was red. It still seemed to seem to be helpful but wasn't curative. But what would that have been blue light that's more ideal for the East?

Bryan Owen  19:58

if not for the east, the red would be better. The blue is more for a bacteria that's going on. Okay. Okay.

Rob Ryan  20:06

And then you have attachments that what, like how does an attachment work for dental,

Bryan Owen  20:10

it's just the dental tip that goes on the front of our, so it's a curved tip so you can get into the mouth, and it's plastic so that it's not glass so that way, if for some reason they do, I never had anyone ever say they ever had it chewed off by a dog. But you know, we always want to make sure it's safe for them this, but it allows you to get along the gum line and, you didn't, I don't know, I have one sitting here.

Rob Ryan  20:33

Like you lift the, you raise the cheek. And then you, it's almost like you brush or

Bryan Owen  20:39

if you talk to Dan briefly, I'll grab one quick slideshow idea. All right,

Rob Ryan  20:43

Donna, let's talk. We're going to see this dental. I'm going to, I'm going to, I don't know, I'm going to start getting really into this with you guys.

Donna Woods  20:53

It's such a fascinating topic. And a lot of people, when we start talking about, you know, all the different things that it can do. It all almost really sounds too good to be true. But everything is vibration when you understand we're going at it from a cellular perspective. And life is cells, you know, living cells, then it makes perfect sense that why wouldn't

Light Therapy For Dogs' Health 21:19

Photonic Health: Light Therapy for Dogs, Cats, & Horses | Bryan Owen | Donna Woods | Rob Ryan | Gussy's Gut

Rob Ryan  21:19

you what occurs to me, if I'm wrong, is you've got something that is additive, it isn't, it's not subtracting, there are no side effects, like a drug or a chemical would be or a topical chemical. But also, if, for example, the use of yeast is diet-related, and you haven't changed the diet, but one of your devices can alleviate some of the symptoms, you're not curing it with your devices; you still have to make the diet change, folks, but this is a perfect partner. I would use light with actual changes in, you know, at the common at the root of the issue. Okay, so you have a dental. Did you like

Bryan Owen  22:12

this, this is our, our multi light. So I got to deal with the cam going backward here. So I got a green, red, blue. Wow. And I can put a ticket on it. That's it. Oh, wow, that's cool. And the neck can get into the mouth, or else we have a straight one that you can go into, like, get it into the ears.

Rob Ryan  22:35

Oh my god. What so

Donna Woods  22:39

we just rescued a Frenchie two and a half weeks ago from a heart-for-like breeding situation. We were not going to go down there. But we just rescued her two weeks ago. And the poor little thing like she came with yeasty ears, yeast on her belly. So, of course, we immediately changed her diet, but to support her through that, like, you know, we just have given her treatments, which makes a world of difference. Like immediately.

Bryan Owen  23:11

She was running around with a floor pushing, and we got done red lighting, and she ran off to start planning within five minutes. I mean, it was.

Rob Ryan  23:20

That's so cool. Yeah, you know, all we talk about? These are my favorite partners in health and wellness because it's like, we did a show on what that micro bubble therapy, you know, I forgot the name of the company. But there's these micro bubbles, I mean, billions of bubbles, and it's great for the skin. I could see doing that with this. And like, I mean, whoa, like flushing out with the microbubbles. I mean, that should be carrying these things in their practice doing these things and, you know, microbubble therapy, your therapy the same time, the dog walks out, is like a new dog and gives this, you know, provides this body with a chance to heal. And then, of course, you're making changes with diet. But you would buy that dental attachment separately in addition to the light.

Bryan Owen  24:25

Yes, this additional thing that can be purchase

Donna Woods  24:28

gold, of course, we have veterinarians who use our products, and we always encourage and always want to have conversations with veterinarians to incorporate light therapy into their practice because it can be so beneficial for them. However, the goal of our company, when we started in 2008, was to create a device and an at-home system that people can use in their homes so people like you don't have to drive 45 minutes each way. You know, to administer this therapy because it can be 100% safe. And, you know, as you said, it's an investment. So, it's an investment in your dog's health. And not just one dog like it. It's not a pill. It's not a tincture, it's not, it's not a consumable, so, like, our devices are crushproof. And we have a lifetime warranty on them. So it's like one device, how many dogs you got, how many dogs you want to, you know, you want to take care of, we're huge into the rescue scene. Because, you know, they've got to control expenses and have so many dogs or horses they're dealing with. And that's where, you know, the goal of our company is to let people know that, hey, this is something you can do at home, and you can do it to support your dog's health from a prevention perspective and a recovery perspective. And you can still go to your veterinarian for extra support. Yeah, it's not an either, or it's the thing about therapy: it complements virtually any other treatments out there.

Rob Ryan  26:12

And it's not contra-indicated; it won't interfere with other therapies you may be doing. The other thing that occurs to me is, first of all, before I forget, I'm going to, I usually ignore, it's still light for the mouth, is that red?

Bryan Owen  26:30

It depends on what you're trying to do. If you're trying to eliminate bacteria, you will use blue. So if you've got puffy gums and all that stuff, but if you have inflamed gums or some that are bleeding, then you would use the red.

Rob Ryan  26:43

I was going to say, like Dave Asprey, bulletproof the guy. There's all these human dental fitting in there, and they're now coming out with red, which is like gum therapy. And it's, it's healing and reparative to the gum. So that's why I was asking about red,

Bryan Owen  27:00

and it also takes care of the pain. And it will take the pain out. Yeah

Rob Ryan  27:08

if you look, I don't even know what your product cost. I didn't even look at it. Because I didn't want to go into that with you guys on the show. Here's how I think of these expenses. We don't even need to talk about $1 amount. But if we look at the adult, whatever you guys look at, if you're on the website and the website, What you want to think about is, and this is how I feel about my expenses for my dogs. If, let's say, even just the dental application extends in my head, this is how I do it if it grows out a dental cleaning another six months, and I am ultimately at the end of a period that my dogs are alive. I have fewer dental cleanings to expose them to, which, by the way, isn't it? It's not ideal; many dogs have to get put under, that's not good for me. Yeah. So if you can, my dog gets Twilight, medicate sleep. So it's safer, but still, why? Why wouldn't I want less than two cleanings and more? So, if this extends it out, you're saving money because you may save one or two cleanings over your dog's lifetime. The other thing is, it costs you guys if you live far from a veterinarian you love and trust, and you have to make that 45-minute trek like Donna was saying. Wouldn't it be great if you just had fewer of those visits? That's at who knows what they are, depending on where you are in the country, 80 to $100 a pop. So think about those specific applications you're looking for and play out a scenario if it causes fewer treatments, less inconvenience, and more impact on your time. It also just has less impact on your dog system. Whether it be drugs or other things. If you think that it could do that. Why would you at least give it a go, you know? So, what do you guys think about when people consider it and know I don't care if your product costs 202,000 bucks? It doesn't matter if it's just for different people if 200 dollars is the same as 2000 bucks. What would I be like if I were considering it? How do you tell people you know, hey, come into this, give it a go? How do you introduce people into, you know, not working with light therapy and suddenly thinking about making a purchase that can help their dog or dogs?

Light Therapy For Pets With A Focus On Affordability And Customer Support 29:49

Donna Woods  29:49

Well, the way we handle it is, you know, it is an investment, but we have a price. You know we have a vary in price, right? In your products, if you have more time than money, then we've got a product for that. And if you have more money than time, we've got another product for that. But one of the things is the trade show to provide support because many people are coming into light therapy, and they're getting these devices. And they're like, Okay, I got it. Now, what in the world do I do with it? Right. And that's where, you know, we have an education system; every single one of our purchases comes with an introductory online course. It's geared toward the adult learner. And the other aspect is I'm old school; I am huge on customer service and customer support. So call again; I'm old school; you can pick up the phone and talk to one of my support team based here in the United States. And they are: stay on the phone until you get comfortable. And so, I think that's where we also send out weekly newsletters and case studies. So, every week, you'll get an email from us. It's not a marketing email. It's, hey, this was the case study of the week. Here's how light therapy works. Here are some strategies to implement if you're dealing with this or ever have to deal with it. So it's essential to consider your purchase and partner with somebody who will be there after the sale. Yes, yeah.

Rob Ryan  31:32

100%. That's great. I'm going back to I'm sorry, focusing on dental. I think that's for everybody. And I, you know, the cats, and then some breeds are, I believe there are smaller breeds that always have like, this seems like they're always getting their teeth pulled. Is that Zen? Is that right? Like there are some breeds? What are those? We can we call these out like that

Bryan Owen  31:56

shirtsleeves. I think problems.

Donna Woods  31:58

Shih Tzu's, The chihuahuas, the French bulldogs, the Boston terriers, any of those, you know, small. And then, yeah, the brachiocephalic dogs. So regular Bulldogs. That's, yeah, so okay.

Bryan Owen  32:17

But to return to your answer, we also created models to have good, better best. So, having one red light is better than having no red light. So our basic model is correct with books and the whole support, right around that $500 range, which is reasonable. We always say no cost to one VIP is paid for itself. And how many vet visits do you do if you have animals? It's not hard, and it's not hard to have that add up. So it's not bad. And then you're in, you're in the system, you got the full backing of our company, you've got the entire bank, and we're here. We're not. We're not a fly by night; we've been in business for how many 15 years now down? It's like, we're not, we're not going anywhere tomorrow. Yeah. And Vic said, you can pick up the phone and talk to us, and we've got tons and tons of education. And we have certification. But you know, we have a certification program. So I mean, where do you want to go with it?

Rob Ryan  33:10

Well, it's also, you know, in life, you know, what I'm learning a new skill for myself. There's, like, you know, you can have the done with you or done for your version; it reminds me of that. So, you, you probably have; I like that you have these levels. Because if somebody if somebody's listening, thinking, Well, gee, you know, there's a $500 version of light, and there's, you know, two other levels above it, what, like, I don't want to, I don't want to get the, the lower version. And that's how they're thinking, it might just be that you want to do two or three treatments, more, you know, more treatments more often with that light. Am I right about this? Correct?

Bryan Owen  33:56

Yeah, I mean, the, the, you know, the more expensive ones have more power, they got more colors, they've got more trinkets.

Rob Ryan  34:06

it's just I'll interject here. So it's all it is for you to exchange time for money. So instead of buying the more expensive one, invest a little bit more time, or, like everything in life, sweat equity, you can hire the person to do all the work on your house. So you can sit back and do nothing or do all the work on your home and invest it in yourself. So that's, I think, super smart on your part to do that because it opens up the world to people at all, you know, the thing that breaks my heart is that when you know all these dogs should be getting the same in a perfect world should be getting access to everything. It's just not the world we live in. Unfortunately, there are economic barriers. It breaks my heart, you know that. Some don't have people and live in shelters; shelters have financial constraints, right? You know, and different people have economic levels. So I would say you can if you can do something that says use your example 500. And you've got an animal suffering from a condition that this could dress, just put more time into it and a little bit more elbow grease, and use that, and benefit, just saying, and, you know, I also think that there's, there's a lot of services in my town, you can, you can have a veterinarian, come to your house, do house calls, do this therapy, that red light therapy, sorry, not red light therapy, lasers. And you can also buy a laser. So, you know, that home visit is convenient that you pay for it. And the cost of, like, I've looked at lasers, and the cost of, like, five sessions with an at-home visit to a vet is the cost of a laser. That's how, you know, I would think of photonic health products. And you guys. Right, sorry. Sorry, I had to interject that Brian, sorry.

Light Therapy For Dogs With Experts 36:12

Photonic Health: Light Therapy for Dogs, Cats, & Horses | Bryan Owen | Donna Woods | Rob Ryan | Gussy's Gut

Donna Woods  36:12

No, sorry. The only difference between, so you know, is the only difference between cold laser. So, if you're a vet or a physical therapist, you will administer cold lasers. It's the same thing as a medical-grade LED. The only difference is that they probably paid more for their device and cannot. They have to be careful using it around the eyes. And they also can not use it on cancers, tumors, or anything like that because lasers will make the tumor grow before your eyes. No, III, yeah, LED is precisely the opposite. New published medical studies are coming out about LED light therapy every day. The cancer research is mind-blowing; it can shrink.

Bryan Owen  37:20

There are few testimonials of people who have shrunk tumors with the red light. Correct.

Rob Ryan  37:24

Wow, that's, and you have to be careful, like thyroids on lasers, right, don't you? Yeah, but you don't have to on yours.

Bryan Owen  37:32

Anything that has to deal with radiation. That's what the lasers put out as the rate is a low-level radiation. Okay. And what they don't understand about cancer is that high-level radiation will kill cancer, but it won't kill all because it goes up. But it's the low level that causes cancer.

Rob Ryan  37:47

Wow, wow. That's wild.

Donna Woods  37:53

So there's lots of there's lots of little nuances within the light therapy industry. And it's tough to cover everything all in one fell swoop or to learn everything by just going to a couple of websites and spending, you know, 15 minutes reading about it. And especially, you know, because the intent of everybody is always to help the animals, heal them, and provide a better life for them. So that's what we're here for, to provide a resource for people and guidance in whatever capacity that looks like.

Rob Ryan  38:31

this is great. So I think we did it when we organized a discount code. Is this right, Donna for? Its GUSSYS. And what is that disc? If somebody wants to purchase? You can use this discount code GUSSYS with an S at the end. What does that give people?

Donna Woods  38:52

It gives them a $25 discount on their first purchase from us.

Rob Ryan  38:57

Okay, excellent, outstanding. No matter what, one of them has a $25 discount.

Bryan Owen  39:03

You have a special, and they still get the additional $25 off.

Rob Ryan  39:07

Oh great. Awesome. All right, everybody. So if you go to use code "GUSSYS" and checkout and you go to and check out their stuff, sign up for their newsletter, read what they're sending you, and get informed, and you guys have videos on your website that people can step into the world of light therapy. Yes, yeah,

Donna Woods  39:30

we've got videos on our website, but if you go to our YouTube channel, we have got, I think, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds of videos on there. Great.

Rob Ryan  39:41

Awesome. So YouTube, and it's search in the YouTube bar for photonic health.

Bryan Owen  39:47

And we feel so optimistic about our product because we give the best guarantee out there; we do a 100% 90-day money-back guarantee. Great 90 days. For some reason you don't like it, we'll give you your money back.

Rob Ryan  40:03

No question, that's a nice amount of time. Because in 90 days, you can see almost anything. Like, within 90 days, you'll see our product results in 90 days; it is a lovely amount of time for you to see if this thing will work for my dog's skin conditions, yours, but you know, their mood, their anxiety, whatever.

Donna Woods  40:26

Well, thank you, both broken bones.

Rob Ryan  40:29

Yeah. All that stuff. Yeah. Thank you both. This has been Donna and Brian. This has been very, very cool. And now, I will have to go on photonic health and spend some time researching these actual units.

Donna Woods  40:46

We sure appreciate it, Rob.

Rob Ryan  40:48

Well, folks, look, folks, everybody. Please hear me about photonic health. Getting your dogs out in the sun is free. Please get them out in the sun. Get them out in the world. Get them healthy food, greens, and things grown in light. That is key, and then apply light optimized for wellness like photonic health. You're never going to go wrong. This is all good stuff. It's addictive. So, thank you both. And thank you all for watching. Thank you. Great Day, everybody. Thanks

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