• The Pursuit Of The Truth (1:56)

  • Interview begins
  • The pursuit of the truth, the pursuit of truth
  • Chronic bursitis, ultrasonic treatments, and a macrobiotic diet
  • A wake-up call about nutrition
  • The science in Medicine is what man is trying to figure out
  • Science vs. Nature

• Why Did You Become An Alternative Natural Veterinarian? (8:24)

  • Nature and common sense is the reason all of this happened
  • Lick your chops
  • The Fundamentals of Healing and Health
  • The Ten Commandments written in stone

• How Do You Heal A Cut? (13:52)

  • The healing crisis and nature
  • The four-year training in veterinary medicine
  • The microbiome is the center of the universe
  • The documented turnarounds of successful cancer cases
  • One out of every 1.61 dogs

• How To Prevent Cancer In Your Pets? (21:22)

  • The Spirit of Animal Healing
  • Taking back cancer 2 billion years, lecture in Canada
  • First exposure to Dr. Ian Billinghurst
  • Question authority in the 70s, 80s and 90s
  • The first experience with fear

• Meeting A Fellow Acupuncturist (28:01)

  • The gateway for alternative therapies into conventionality
  • Health is simplistic; disease brings complexity

• How Does Hope Precedes Healing? (30:39)

  • Dr. Marty Goldstein and his brother, Bob, are both vets
  • The dog doc is a feel-good documentary
  • The first thing Rob Ryan did with terminal animals
  • What rob is doing with Cornell
  • The documentary ends with him speaking at Cornell
  • The last 15-20 years in practice

• How Did You Get Into The Field Of Veterinary Medicine? (37:15)

  • Going back to Cornell to learn more about alternative therapies
  • Cornell cancer program
  • Cryo-surgery to freeze tumors at a very high level
  • One-year survival for dogs
  • The Cornell conference with veterinarians from all over the world
  • The Karen Arison Concert

• The Problem With Wide Margins Of Surgery. (43:25)

  • The first cancer cell came from inside the mouth
  • The concept of wide margins
  • The beauty of private surgery and cryo-surgery
  • The head of surgery at Cornell Clinic

• Baking In The Sun For Health (48:00)

  • The fallacy that the sun causes cancer
  • The Nature of Animal Healing and Jamaica
  • Baking in the sun for two weeks and looking 20 years younger
  • Omega-6s and iron levels
  • Health is not just about what is put into the body
  • The importance of an appropriate diet

• Why The Vets Need A Wake-Up Call? (55:07)

  • The Australian Veterinary Association needs a wake-up call
  • The Angel Memorial Hospital
  • Going to Angel Memorial for integrative medicine
  • Going to a Homeopathic Clinic for pets.

• The Beginning Of The Journey (59:50)

  • Nervousness at Angel Memorial
  • A standing ovation from the board of staff
  • The Head of Angel memorial came up with the idea
  • The clinician is still there
  • Breaking through the veil of conventional medicine
  • Marty Goldstein talks about her food business

• The Company Marty Goldstein Contracted With To Develop The Product (1:07:10)

  • The Plant Paradox
  • The Freeze-drying Process
  • The benefits of freeze-drying blueberries
  • The nutraceutical value of the supplement in food
  • Food allergy testing on patients in the last 10 years
  • The importance of ag-ease

• Real Food Doesn’t Cause Allergic Reactions (1:13:59)

  • Allergies to proteins are due to the cooking process
  • The science behind pet food
  • Vaccines in a health schedule
  • Vaccine implementation
  • Vaccine recommendations changed from every year to every three years
  • Feline distemper and cat vaccines
  • Allergy breakthrough phenomena, allergic breakthrough phenomena
  • Standardized rabies vaccines, at least five years of protection

• Why Aren’t We Doing This? (1:25:15)

  • Why the Australian Veterinary Profession took it on like crazy
  • Vaccine industry in Australia
  • Vaccines are a delayed immunological response to vaccines
  • The history of vaccine-related deaths

Rob Ryan  00:01

Hello, everybody. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening, wherever you are in the world, and welcome again to the Gussy's Gut show. I want to bring on my partner at Gussy's Gut and a good friend. I'm so happy to call him my good friend and an amazing veterinarian. Dr. Ian Billinghurst.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  00:21

Good morning, Rob. It’s lovely to be here. And we have a very exciting guest this morning. This afternoon, wherever you are in this world.

Rob Ryan  00:32

Yeah. I woke up as I do with this show when we have these great guests and get excited. But you know, this guest is somebody I first contacted when I wanted to move into homeopathic veterinary veterinary care for my dog. I lived in California, and his practice was in New York. He was the first one that I reached out to. He was clearly the one in America who was the most trusted and knowledgeable, creating the most profound results. And the guy that I am, I like to go to the best. And he's the one who referred me over to you. And I then contacted you to introduce me to raw feeding, and it's all because of this man. There you go. Yep. So, without any further ado, let me bring this man on because let's do that if teasing is too much. But that to cue to do an intro for this man is pretty impossible. He's had an amazing practice. He's had a television show with Martha Stewart. He's a best-selling author. His book, The Nature of Animal Healing

The Pursuit Of The Truth. (1:56)

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  01:56

Hey, Rob. Rob, Rob. The best person to introduce our next guest? He is the next guest himself, too.

Rob Ryan  02:05

Let's do it. Let's do it. Marty Goldstein. Dr. Marty Goldstein, how are you?

Dr. Marty Goldstein  02:12

I'm on. Good morning.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  02:16

Great. It’s great being here. It's always an honor being with Dr. Ian, boy. Talk about one of my influences—big time.

Rob Ryan  02:27

That's great. Thank you. Thank you, then. This is our honor to have you on. I know you guys are good friends, and I’m sure you have plenty of stories you will share today about each other. And I'll do my best to keep things moving. And I think this is probably going to go over our hour. But I want to keep it to our hour, and we can do another show. But why don't we get right into the things because we do have the agenda I have we could never do in an hour? So why don't we get into it? Marty, why don't I give you the platform? Let’s catch people up on how most people know who you are. But let's catch people up on you and where you're at in life right now. And we'll start there. Yeah, you

Dr. Marty Goldstein  03:13

Yeah, all these accomplishments I did over the last 50 years. It was just my pursuit of the truth. You know, way back, I attended Cornell undergraduate in the ‘60s. Now, that was a trip. And then I stayed in vet school. I was there for nine years and graduated from Cornell vet school in 1973. Genetically, I was losing my health. It ran in all the males on my mother's side of the family. And all of them now are long dead. They were sick, that degenerative, and I had the same condition. So I just started searching out of fear, especially vanity, for answers my medical profession did not give me. I had   I was going for shots if I was going for ultrasonic treatments in my shoulder three times a week, that we're going to inject long-acting steroids, which is what I learned how to do for animals. And it was like, Whoa, am I my doctor? When I asked him? I said, What is going on here? And he said, Well, you're getting older. I was 26. But then the big question came: Why is my left shoulder getting older and not my right shoulder, the same body when it comes to the birth canal earlier? So it didn't make sense. And then I stumbled upon some Oriental Philosophy, a macrobiotic diet, and I tried it, and I was always fat. My nickname in high school was Portland Public School was Porky. When I looked down, I couldn't see my feet. My stomach was so big, and I was 20 pounds in eight days, eating brown rice and real food. And a light bulb applied the same tenants to our companion animals. And behold, it worked. Then, I started to go into depth and study pet food at that time, what we were taught, and the only thing we bought and sold in our practice, and the only thing we fed to our animals was the semi-boys foods, top choice, and Gaines burgers.

That's what we were taught. That was scientifically correct. And then, just looking at the labels and the original label of Gaines Burgers, there were three or four carcinogens, dyes, coloring agents, and flavor enhancers; the only thing missing was food. And it was just a wake-up call, and I looked back to my training and my four years of vet school at the corner at Cornell. And I realized that I had a three-hour course when it came to nutrition. It was not even about the quality of the ingredients of the foods; it was mostly about arithmetics, how to balance total protein, fats, and stuff like that. No, we were never taught anything about what's biologically appropriate. Those are the keywords you're writing in. We should be feeding food that is not scientifically appropriate with

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  06:38

your identical twins in how we came to this was carry on. It's good.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  06:45

My definition in the book I wrote, The Spirit of Animal Healing, the science in medicine, is a man trying to figure out when nature was already created. The technological advances in our profession blow me away: the MRIs, the dye studies, the fact that we know along a metabolic or physiological biochemical pathway, we know every little stop, scientifically, the NADH is in, and stuff like that. And it's amazing how we figured this out, and like, you know, in and the mitochondria, how we learn, every little organelle inside a cell.

Why Did You Become An Alternative Natural Veterinarian? (8:24)

Dr. Marty Goldstein  8:24

But guess what? We didn't create it. Nature did. So when we want to get into health and health care, we must look and abide by nature’s fundamental laws and rules. And science doesn't do that. You know, it's just an, and I'm fond of science, especially when we can get science to help us prove that the work we've been doing with proper diet nutraceuticals and supplements works. But man, there's nothing. There's nothing like my YouTube associates I adopted 45 years ago, which every veterinarian can adopt. That's nature and common sense. All of this happened, and I went through 40 years of hell because this was not a manageable threat to my license. You know, monetarily, it wasn’t very pleasant. You couldn't charge for alternative therapy. If one animal didn't make it, you lost your license because you weren't using pre-approved therapies. My license was verbally threatened in 1978 for treating arthritic dogs with glucosamine sulfate because I wasn't using standardized medicine. You know how much glucosamine sulfate is sold now in veterinary medicine. So, that's how it's been for me. And I never did strive for all this popularity. For all these successes. My book is number one. The documentary on me is one of the top 100 nature documentaries on Rotten Tomatoes. It's only because I love animals. And I just kept on sticking to the truth. And I almost gave up many times, either giving up all this alternative natural therapy or claiming bankruptcy; those are my choices. And then I said no, I can't give this up. And I kept on working and struggling 15 hours a day. And then the real Field Trip was because I was ready to get out of practice in 1982. We created the company lick your chops. The Bronfman Seagram Seven funded it. It was on the syndicated by Motown. And that was my exit because I was frustrated being a conventional veterinarian. And I never left because I was starting to see tumors resolve in dogs and cats. And it was like, and I can't leave this; this is working. So what happened is that word spread one by one animal by the animal from different parts of the country. And I started to get referrals. And seeing patients from all over the United States, we had 20 for at least 25 states of the Union in our rating room at any given month. And we did a survey once back, maybe fifteen or eighteen years ago, of my clients, not my associates, but mine. And in six weeks, my average client was 590 miles from my clinic. So, doing and seeing all this became fun, interesting, and rewarding. But the fundamentals, I did it because it's the truth. You know, especially when it comes to diet, it's defeating biologically appropriate food. And the amount of, you know, my specialty became the scientific use of nutraceuticals. But it's amazing how many animal’s lives got turned around just by feeding them real food right to you.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  11:57

That's right, the whole mantra. And nutrition. It's absurdly simple. You feed food, we don't feed nutrients; you feed food, and nutrients come along for the ride. It's quite simple.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  12:11

It's pretty simple.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  12:12

It's pretty simple. That's, that's, that's the whole fact of the matter is simple.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  12:17

Yeah, it's funny; like my first book, I was commissioned by Random House to do it. And I was having a very tough time coming up with things that still needed to be said. And I finally had a leave, and I wrote this story in my second book about my first book, and I got my friend, Darrell. And we just went down to Jamaica. And I had to see what I wanted to say. And we had a really good time for two or three days. And he said, that will leave me alone, and went out over the edge on a cliff with a pad of paper, a little desk, and a bottle of Dragon stout, made by the red stripe company.

How Do You Heal A Cut? (13:52)

Dr. Marty Goldstein  13:52

And I was hitting myself on the head because every time I would write something, it was already said before. And then finally, like in the movie, The Ten Commandments, would all of a sudden you saw the Ten Commandments written in stone, my hand picked up the pen. And I just wrote, without thinking, the 17 fundamentals of healing and health that went in my first book. And at that point, the book was done. But unfortunately, I was commissioned to write 260 to three pages by Random House. So I just took those fundamentals and extrapolated them into chapters and chapters and chapters. But it's simple. How do you heal a cut? You sign up to Google and look it up in the dictionary. Now, nature heals it. And then I started to look at disease, “dis ease,” and uneasiness about the body. And I started to assign a purpose, a discharge of fever, or whatever you call it. There is a purpose for that, and what I was taught, and even what you were taught when you went through four years of school, is how to diagnose the disease and then drug it, which stopped the functionality of nature. And you know what that's called? Cancer. It's not more complicated than that. You know, if we allow these processes to go through and support these processes with proper food, nutraceuticals, and nutritional supplements, we are monitored. They do drugs, actually came from, but they didn't have side effects. And then, we allow the body to go through the process. Then we heal. And you know, probably the most important chapter I ever wrote in both books is called The Healing Crisis. It’s allowing nature and recognizing that nature is healing the body. What is a fever? An aspirin deficiency? Hell, no. It's a process used by nature to do something. So that was it. And you know, and you know, the bacteria and the virus became an enemy. How many strep bacteria do you have on your throat, Rob? Yeah. $1 for every bacteria in your intestine? Do you have a sore throat? No. So these bacteria are good guys. And they're sad, prophetic. And you get congested in your chest. And then, all of a sudden, it starts to come out. The bacteria are opportunistic, and they start to grow in it. Yes, you don't feel good; you have a sore throat, creating a fever, but it's digesting the mucus debris coming out. You'll feel better quickly if you use antibiotics and kill the bacteria. But what happens to all that junk is that it goes back into the lungs, and I started to look at the case histories of my lung cancer patients to see that they had chronic upper respiratory infections successfully treated throughout their lives. And result in health and the result was cancer. So, you know, that's it in a nutshell. I think I just presented the entire four-year training in veterinary medicine. Rob, you now have your degree; you’re now a veterinarian.

Rob Ryan  16:43

Yeah, thank you that you just blessed me right now. Well, you know, we, the on the last point you made about the microbes. We now know we didn't know this that long ago, and we now know we have more microbes than cells. So if I was to tell you, Well, you know, take this thing. So you can kill off some of your cells. You say you are crazy. But here we are. We're trying to kill off our microbes. So, it only makes a little sense. Yeah,

Dr. Marty Goldstein  17:13

I mean, it doesn't. And it's just, you know, studying the microbiome right now. I'm starting to see the expansiveness, where you get to look at it as not only the center of your intestinal health, the center of your immunity, the center of your thoughts, but the center of your household, the center of your neighborhood, the center of the planet, the center of the universe when you take it on an expansive level of what the microbiome is, it's a trip.

Rob Ryan  17:50

It's, it's a major trip. Yeah. Yeah, no,

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  17:55

It’s us as part of us, and we are part of it. We are part of this ecosystem. It's, it's interesting, why the UK, from the perspective of understanding the disease, understanding what diseases I came from the perspective of saying, Oh, my God, this food we recommend causes disease, we have to stop doing that and feed real food so that the disease will disappear. So, we were aiming at the same thing but from different perspectives. And, of course, the result is about the same: we ended up with healthy animals. And the food has a hell of a lot to do with it.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  18:37

Yeah, I became known for the veterinarian treating basket cases. And, you know, turning so many around. I have so many documented turnarounds right now that I just literally attacked my alma mater, Cornell, with a presentation saying, his case, if the case, if the case, three weeks to live, six weeks to live, he has four biopsies. Here’s this, here's that. And here's the number one oncologist: the United States gave this book six weeks to live and on this therapy program of proper nutraceuticals and died. Here’s the dog nine years later, one after another. And then I just said to the head liaison at Cornell, you can do this. It's about time you learn. It has nothing to do with ego. It has nothing to do with finances or anything like that. You don't know how to do this. You're not teaching this in your school. Your goal is animal health and welfare. And, you know, from observations, when I graduated from Cornell in 1973, approximately one out of 10 dogs got cancer, which was always a disease. Is of the Oh. So what we were taught back then is when you saw a case, make a differential diagnosis of all the possibilities. And you eliminated cancer from your differential diagnosis based solely on age. Now, statistically, and I presented this study in my book, one out of every 1.61 Dogs in the United States gets cancer, a prominent disease of the young. So, something is drastically wrong. Suppose we're so astute scientifically.

How To Prevent Cancer In Your Pets? (21:22)

 

Dr. Marty Goldstein  21:22

Why have I witnessed cancer incidence in dogs triple, maybe even quadruple? Something is wrong because there was no health care taught. And the beauty with B is that I became known for turning all these basket cases around. And then, at the end of each of these successful cases, the little light bulb goes off, either in the mom and dad of the companion animal, or I'll shove it into him is this work that we just did a hell of a lot less expensive than chemotherapy. And your dog is now four years down the road, running around with the tumors gone. Imagine if you started doing this when they were young. If you don't, not only would you save all of that finances, but they would have an enjoyable, healthy life. And they wouldn't have to go through the suffering when, fortunately, the amputation. And it's like this is what our profession needs to know. So you take an animal born. I don't consider any animal born healthy anymore because of how we adulterated the gene pool. You know, over the years, seeing a two and three-month-old animal with terminal cancer, taking them when they're young, and concentrating solely on wellness, no disease. And when people ask me, What should I do to prevent my daughter from getting cancer? The first thing I want to do is get the word cancer out of my vocabulary. And not even focus on doing anything for the disease. Because on the higher level, you know, there are 53 perceptions, the physical universe, man has five, taste, smell, feeling, you know, all that, that stuff. So what's going on in the other, you know, 88%? How many radio waves and gamma rays are hitting your body now that you are unaware of? Take an infrared picture of a dog and a person. And you'll see overlapping energy fields in the infrared spectrum. So much is going on thoughts, feelings, and emotions are on the non-physical plane. So you start thinking cancer, you can help that tumor grow in your dog, not even realizing you're doing it. That's why this book is called The Spirit of Animal Healing. Because it takes it to a different level, this spiritual connection between people and their animals and how much we could learn from them.

Rob Ryan  23:30

Oh, boy. Yeah, yeah. What's another big thick book to your left there? Dr. Marty? What's that book?

Dr. Marty Goldstein  23:38

By the way, even when you gave that lecture in Canada, taking back cancer 2 billion years, I lost my breath; I had to go into the hallway to recapture my breath. It blew me away. And it's all true. I learned that the micro with that little dude inside the energy cell guy was an individual. And so long ago, it was a bacterium. And that lecture just blew my mind. And it was like, and then, you know, we were interviewed after that. Hey, remember? And I was asked, So, what was your first exposure? And now that you met in and you’ve heard of the lecture when you were coming up to Canada, please tell us your feeling about, you know, meeting Dr. Ian and stuff like that. And you know what mine was? Fear because you see this little pin over here, where if you watch the documentary, The Dog Doc, and you should, if you love animals, you have to watch this film, not because of me or anything, because it shows the need for integrative veterinary medicine. The dog doc has a scene of my animal pin collection. And the person that did the dog, a really good friend of mine, actually spent $5,000 for that day to bring in an interior designer to go through one of my drawers, clean it out, put beautiful clothes down, and rearrange all my pens, I have like three 400, beautiful animal pens. And not a day goes by that I don't wear one of those animal pens, and you'll see it in the documentary. But when I was at Cornell, what I used to have was not animal pins, but I used to have buttons, and I had this amazing button collection. And they were, you know, with balloons, and those are the psychedelic, you know, years of mankind and this and that. But there was one button that I wore every single day. And I still have that button that was the prelude to my pin collection. And that button was question authority. And when I went through all of what I went through in the ‘70s, ‘80s, and ‘90s, I didn't have the where with all the challenge anyone scientifically in the medical field, you know, that had these long, you know, letters after their name. So, I mostly just worked on animals in the state in hiding. But I knew my question of scientific medicine's authority was incorrect. Then, when I started to feed what I thought was correct, I switched to the raw diet. I didn't know what I was doing. And Dr. Ian Billinghurst was the authority on it. So I was really afraid I was doing it wrong. So I feared meeting that guy because he was going to he was going to come down to me, just like the veterinarians did throughout my history. And you know, to tell me, Oh, it isn't real, you can't use so glucosamine sulfate. You can't stick needles in animals and do acupuncture. That's wacko, you know when I was certified in 1975. So, my first experience with you was fear.

Rob Ryan  28:01

That's great.

Meeting A Fellow Acupuncturist (28:01)

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  28:01

had met a fellow acupuncturist.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  28:06

Oh, yeah. That was the gateway that is the gateway for alternative therapies into conventionality. Finally, over 70% of the best schools in the United States now embrace acupuncture. You know,

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  28:25

Marty introduced me to a whole load of people who were doing alternative things, and they were also studying acupuncture. At that point, we had been feeding our animals with commercial food because my family said we have to feed our animals with the best food available, not the bones and scraps we've been doing before. It was during that period that my animal’s health was declining. And they were they were teaching me an important lesson. And these people, when I was studying acupuncture, introduced me, and I said, the light came on for me, and I said, Oh, my goodness, what I was doing before was correct. I can't stress enough about the straightforward things I was doing. And, of course, I read people like Pitcairn. For example, Belfield, Juliette de Bairacli Levy, and somewhere on television, at some stage, there was some vet called Marty, who was a vet to the stars, and I was in awe of this man, as I still am. Absolutely. So, two people in fear of each other for whatever obscure, munching and then becoming instant friends. One,

Dr. Marty Goldstein  29:44

It's common sense on both sides because we do the same thing.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  29:50

That's one of my words: give your dog a bone. This is a practical, common sense way to feed your dog for a long, healthy life. That simple.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  30:00

What are those fundamentals in my original book, which was that health is a simplistic disease that brings complexity? Absolutely. I mean, you know, how do you heal the cold? It's simple. But disease, the entire medical training, you know, is one of the most complex minds, mind-washing, brainwashing things, study these Latin terms of the muscles that the sterno salikus IoT isn't this and that your mind gets just washed out. When nature is, nature creates that muscle. Nature created the disease.

How Does Hope Precedes Healing? (30:39)

Rob Ryan  30:39

That's great. You know, when I went to you via phone consult, you were hard to get into Dr. Marty. Your clinic was nice enough to refer me to your brother Bob, another mega-talented veterinarian. Oh, god, yeah, we did. A fantastic veterinarian, my dog was cured in four weeks; It was within four weeks from the first appointment to what I would consider, quote, heal, and resolve forever gone. And for your documentary, they can go on and find this documentary streaming; you hold up a disk, but you don't have to buy it on disk; you can get it on Amazon or Apple everywhere. The Dog Doc, I highly encourage you to watch it. It's optimistic and shows you that even dogs with incredibly serious diagnoses, given days to live, Can live minutes. This man has given dogs nine years to live when given weeks and months. So there's hope, and that documentary is a feel-good documentary I've seen in two and a half. Yeah, two and a half times, almost three times.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  31:59

Yeah, hope is a biggie; I wrote a paper. And it's in this book, the paper was called Hope precedes healing. Do you know what the first thing I did with so many of these terminal animals? These people didn't understand why they were there. They were there because someone told them they had to go this and that. But they were told by the specialists that their dog was going to die. And they came in, you know, especially the husbands of the wives is like, I'm just coming to support her. I don't know why I'm even here, you know, my dog got terminal cancer and will be a waste. And I would spend that hour. Sure, just reestablishing not false hope, but hope. And they would leave smiling and feeling good. One of the things I wrote in this book is that when I saw local people, I had the time to take blood samples and not start a program until I saw the blood results the next day. You know, with the people that drove in the six, seven hours, you learn about a whole bunch of supplements because you have to start quick. And then they would leave smiling, laughing, and feeling good because I would show them before and after before and after. And I would, you know, they would call the next day for the blood results. And I'd go, how's she doing? You see, she's already better. We didn’t do anything except change the people's viewpoint and the atmosphere around them to one of hope and healing. And you know, there's so much on that level. That probably supersedes any supplement and diet we know of, especially if you put them together. Then you have wellness.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  34:01

Marty, you spoke about Cornell. Please tell us a little bit before we come on air. You spoke about changing things there because, as Rob and I have spoken so often, the veterinary profession needs to change. What are you doing with Cornell in that area?

Dr. Marty Goldstein  34:23

Yeah, what's interesting with Cornell, I mean, you know, it was my alma mater. The documentary ends with me speaking at Cornell, arranged by the lady who did the documentary, and I gave a 35-minute talk. I presented 223 slides in 35 minutes and shoved them right down their throat. And it was mostly students, and they just loved it. They loved it. They stayed for another hour. So the questions and stuff like that. And if you go, for anyone out there, if you go to the Dog Doc Facebook page and scroll down, my lecture at Cornell, which was 35 minutes long, was edited to 30 minutes. And you can see my entire lecture to the Cornell faculty and students. So what happened in my life, the last 15 - 20 years in practice, was frustrating. Because I was spending an hour and a half initially with one new person, with one very sick animal, trying to educate one person, and trying to save one animal's life when I knew I could reach millions, which I'm finally doing now. So we have 47 and a half years, and I was able to sell the practice. And you'll see the practice good at the documentary and turn it over to veterinarians, and I taught, so it's still doing that work. And starting to reach, especially by food and supplements, I'm getting 1000s of testimonials of Thank you, every month, every two months, from people all over the United States thanking me for how well their dog or cat is doing on either the food or the supplements, and rapidly, which is blowing me away.

How Did You Get Into The Field Of Veterinary Medicine? (37:15)

Dr. Marty Goldstein  37:18

So now that I've caught up on life, it's been 50 years since I graduated from vet school, and I have the products and the food out there. And I went for one and a half years of not feeling guilty every morning, not going to work for 15 hours. And it took me a year and a half because I did it for Obama's five decades of struggle, struggle, struggle, work, work, work. Then he said get out. Now, it's time to go back to Cornell. So through this amazing lady, Karen Arison, who was subsidizing alternative therapies at Cornell, this small animal clinic right now, this lady is just amazing. Through her, I got to one of the head liaisons to the public and Cornell; we had dinner up there when I brought my oldest daughter, who's interested in vet school, months ago. And then, through Karen, we set up a Zoom call. And I did a 90-minute presentation to one of the head liaisons at Cornell, on the case after case after case after case after case. And then, in the end, I said, Amy, you guys can't do this. It's time to learn. How do we do this? And she's in the process of trying to work out now an off-campus talk, where I would go out there, we would rent the hall, we would give the veterinarian the doctors that they would invite, we would give them food, get their attention, they won't be bombarded by if it's at the school, getting an emergency call for the clinic. And I would present the use of alternatives and proper diet in turning these animals around. And then whatever they want to use of me. It was fascinating. Many years ago, Cornell was nowhere near advanced to the best schools in the United States and cancer. Colorado State was appalling. The American Cancer Society dumped a whole bunch of money into Cornell. They hired a veterinarian from the University of Pennsylvania, Dr. Rodney Page, and started the Cornell cancer program. I went to a fundraiser in southern New Jersey on a Sunday in the winter to attend Dr. Rod’s nice presentation. I went up to him with many before and after pictures. And when I introduce myself, he goes I know who you are. I read your book, and I liked it. I presented before and after cases, and he invited me to Cornell University Veterinary College. We set up a protocol because one of my specialties, and you'll see in the documentary, is cryo surgery to freeze tumors at a very high level. So, if you have a tumor inside a dog's jaw, they'd have to remove half the jaw. If you freeze the tumor, the body rejects the tumor and lays down scar tissue. So it's tissue sparing, it's less invasive. It's amazing. So, Rodney Paige started a program with me, where he was getting one-year survival on dogs and cats with squamous cell carcinoma. And it was usually radiation, and we moved in half the jaw and chemotherapy. And that one year, life was not a good year; we were getting to three, four, or five years. So he said, If you could get one year and use much less invasive things, there is a publishing study. He assigned me a recording secretary, and he gave me the forms. This was the breakthrough of forever. A month or two passed. I didn't hear anything. I called him up. And I said, Brian, what happened? And he goes, unfortunately, I couldn't get the words Cornell and Goldstein on the same page on an endowment. That's how it works. So I presented that to this liaison, saying, If you're right, the page accepted me years ago, it's time to revisit it. Let's get it together. But we're waiting to hear. This is my four weeks ago. And I'll be honored. And this lady Karen, who is now not only subsidizing alternative therapies, the first time I met her, I went up to the Cornell conference, the annual veterinary conference with veterinarians from all over the world, to speaking four or five, six at any given time for three or four days. And Rick Palmquist, one of the best integrator veterinarians, lectured on the microbiome. And I went, I better support Rick; he was voted the most popular lecturer of the conference. And this Karen Arison was doing a concert for the animals, which she brings in these two world-class violinists with these two worlds as violins that play concerts, to the small animals, large animals, and to the public that attend. I went up there, and I met her. At the conference and the concert, she awarded five scholarships to five clinicians at the Cornell Veterinary School to become certified in acupuncture. And it's like, Who is this lady? So she is now my ally in doing this. I just got elected as a board member of the American Holistic Veterinary Medical Foundation. I invited her, and she accepted, so we will start doing stuff.

The Problem With Wide Margins Of Surgery (43:25)

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  43:25

Rob and Marty, I, this is brought on just a story that was part of me, where in 1984, we had a lecturer from North America, and I can't tell you who it was, he was a surgeon. And it was a lecture on surgery, surgery of the mouth, the jaw, the cancer head. And I recall he was saying, Don't worry about any structures. Just cut a margin of three inches around whatever it is, maybe more. And he had then had pictures of dogs, with their tongues drooling out the side of their mouths. Thank you. I had I walked out, which was the first I walked out. Because I was already studying acupuncture. I already was using simple nutrition to see things disappear. And I knew this was not right. But the disfigurement that they were happy with. It made me almost want to vomit. It was so bad.

Rob Ryan  44:33

Ian Explains what a margin of three inches means. Well,

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  44:39

Take out the whole side of your jaw on one side, so your mouth, in the case of a dog, you know in a dog's tongue laws that it just laws out the side and is so disfiguring. It is so ugly, and it is not a way to live, and these dogs can’t eat anymore other than to be hand-fed. I was horrified that this was what our profession was doing back then.

Rob Ryan  45:06

Wow. Yeah, you

Dr. Marty Goldstein  45:07

know what's so wrong about that? It shows that the focus of cancer is on the tumor, and the tumor is not the problem; the fact that the body allows the tumor to grow. So, the whole concept of wide margins. So, where did the first cancer cell come from the garage if you get a wide margin around the tumor? Brooklyn, where did it come from? It came from inside the wide margin. One of the joys is that I went to a continuing education seminar about three years ago on cancer, and they're now starting to go against uptake at wide margins. Finally, they're waking up. The beauty of private surgery is that it freezes right into the healthy tissue. All the cancer gets rejected, and the area that gets frozen but doesn't die gets stimulated and builds up an immune reaction locally and systemically against the cancer. So, it's a double stimulus to the immune system. And it's, you know, some veterinarians are doing quite surgery now, but they have a little can of liquid nitrogen, and they're freezing warts. We’re doing cryo surgery on tumors that big inside the rectum inside the ears, and stuff like that. I lectured at Cornell to the head of a holistic organization maybe eight or nine years ago, and it was a two-and-a-half-hour lecture. Check this out. At the beginning of the lecture, a distinguished gentleman walked into the back of the hallway about 10 minutes after I started the introduction. I had no idea who he was. And when he walked in, I was so taken aback by Him, His presence, and I said, Oh, you're here. Now, we could start just fooling around. He stayed for the entire lecture, and I presented three or four cases of mast cell cancer and cryosurgery. He was the head of surgery at the small animal clinic at Cornell. His own technician’s dog had mast cell cancer of the leg. He was scheduled to amputate the leg. After my lecture, he told it to the technician. I had that amputation bring the dog to Bharti. We had it all set up. She had a death in the family. She had to stay up in Ithica for the funeral and the services. By the time that was over, the tumor had taken over the leg, and he had amputated. So once again, that's how close I came to going. Wow. Notice how red I am. I was just under the sun intensely for two days.

Baking In The Sun For Health (48:10)

Rob Ryan  48:10

Well, I think it's your lighting. It just changed. The natural lighting may have changed. But you look great. Well,

Dr. Marty Goldstein  48:21

let me let me turn this up. But no, part of it is the amount of sun I got. And, you know, that's another fallacy that the sun causes cancer. Yep. Like I said in this book, Why would God make the light in his house harm his children? So I bake in the sun every year. The more I bake, the healthier I get. I don't have any wrinkles. I'm 76 and a half years old. I don't have any wrinkles. Now I will read and stuff like that because I was out gardening for eight hours in direct sunlight. But no sunscreen.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  49:06

In the next 20-30 years, tremendous problems have developed from an Australian slip-slop and slap sunscreen. Stopping that vitamin D in our bodies is horrendously bad. And we're doing it to our children. And we found the right thing, but I'm convinced we're doing the wrong thing. Great. We do rate for this. Goodness, we are doing so much bad.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  49:37

Yeah, it's a problem. In my first book, The Nature of Animal Healing. Do you know how I learned this? I used to go to Jamaica every year with friends of mine. And every winter, I would go for like two weeks. One week I went one year, I went to Jamaica for health. And I just rented a bike. I just ate pure vegetables and fruit. I didn't drink. I was running on the beach every morning. And I tell you, no exaggeration, going towards the end of the second week, I was baking in the sun and token bake.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  50:19

seven days, that means a computer, my computer.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  50:24

And, at the end of two vacations, I looked 20 years younger. My eyes were bright, and they would light much lighter green, and blah, blah, blah. And then there was a Rita Marley concert.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  50:51

And I said I how with it. And I went to that concert. And I just picked out, drank all these coconut drinks and alcohol, and had the greatest time. I woke up the next morning and I had wrinkles. My eyes were all puffy. So we think that the sun causes that. But for two weeks, I baked in the sun. And I had the clearest complexion: I ate a whole bunch and consumed a whole bunch of crap. And the next morning, I had bags under my eyes. I had crow's feet and wrinkles and wrote it in the book. So where does that come from, the sun or what we consume? It was a huge lesson for me.

Rob Ryan  51:43

Don't you think there's a lot in the human world? We were now starting to think that it's the proliferation of omega sixes. The canola oil seed oils, the grain the cows eat, the food that we know, that non-grass fed cows. On top of that, the increase in our iron and the interaction with the sun on our skin. Do you agree?

Dr. Marty Goldstein  52:10

Well? Proinflammatory? Yeah, yep.

Rob Ryan  52:14

So if you're eating a healthy diet, and you're you have a healthy mindset, and you're exercising, you could be in the sun, there's no big issue.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  52:21

Yeah, the thing is, one of the fundamentals that I wrote in my first book is that health is not so much about what you put into your body, but you allow your body to get rid of Amen. You know, why do we have to sleep so long? Because we have to break the fast in the morning breakfast. And what saved my life? The first year was after I was macrobiotics and started to get healthy. In one year, I did a seven--, nine--, and 11-day fast. And boy, did my health come back. Yeah, now you know what I do? After I retired, I started to make up for lost time. And I've been having a really good time, the last couple of years, you know, going out, having, you know, IPA, beers, red wine, eating here eating there, because I couldn't do that for so many years. And, and I'll get congested, I will feel good this and that. And I'll go into cleansing and get rid of it. So it's always, you know, one of the things that I teach is, you know, an IAN does it too, you know, we teach the ideal biologically appropriate diet. But I also have Ted steps that I wrote about: I don't eat the perfect, biologically appropriate diet every day. I love pizza. It's not biologically relevant. But it's knowing the different levels, especially in your companion animal. So, my dogs love pizza. I'll throw them the crust of this that, but you know where to go. So the big thing is to aim toward an appropriate diet and know where to go. Especially if your animal gets sick. Then you start going to, you know, number 10 at the top of the list. Yeah, and that's where your dog has cancer. You're not messing around. A dog is one year old running around. You have had a great day. Yeah, from a pizza crust. 

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  54:34

Yeah, amen to all that, buddy. It's the knowledge. I am passionate about empowering and educating people with knowledge; if they want to go down that path, at least walk down it because you know where it is leading. And if you want to jump off the path and get on that path. Great, but at least you know what you're doing. And we, as professional veterinarians as a group, need to figure out where we're going with all of this. So we need help to educate the people. With all of this.

Why The Vets Need A Wake-Up Call? (55:07)

 

Dr. Marty Goldstein  55:06

We don't know. That's me. That's why the schools needed the wake-up call.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  55:12

That's right. That's exactly right. I tried to write to you. I've repeatedly written to my Veterinary Association, asking them to consider this. They do not even reply to me. They do not give me the courtesy of a reply. And I'm a member. I can't believe that the Australian Veterinary Association is so cool, but I can't believe it because pet food companies fund them. Everything they do is funded by these people by the master,

Dr. Marty Goldstein  55:48

and they're all subsidized. The other place I'm going to right now, are you aware of Angel Memorial Hospital?

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  55:57

I know the names. I know it's very famous. Now,

Dr. Marty Goldstein  56:02

years ago, I had a sigmoid with renal failure. My client knew one of the heads of it, and she brought it up to Angel. And this dog's renal failure was so big, and I had high blood pressure and was getting nosebleeds from the high blood pressure and blah, blah, blah. So I put the dog on a proper diet and nutritional supplements, and the dog turned around. So the clinician from Angel called me and said, What are you doing? And I just said, Well, you know this and blah, blah. And she said, How would you like to come up and speak? And I said I would love it. Nothing ever happened? Years later, when stenography started, I had a golden retriever with an insulin OVA. The number one radiologist in the United States at Cornell, Victor Rendano, found this insulin-producing pancreas tumor. And he found that on a sonogram. And a dog was on prednisone and blah, blah, blah. They came to me, took the dog off drugs, and put it on nutritional supplements. And a year later, the dog is not, and I think nine months later, the dog is doing great. So they live in Boston, where Andrew Boreal lives. Ithaca, Cornell, is seven hours away. So, we need a follow-up sonogram. The people go we can't drive seven hours the dog hates the car. Is there any other place that would do sonograms because regular veterinarians were not doing it? So I said you have an Angel memorial in your area? Why don't you go there? So they went there? Who does the sonogram, the same resident clinician from years back? She calls me up, and she goes to Blizzcon. What are you doing? Now you have to come up and talk. So I said yes, the head nutritionist, a board-certified nutritionist. And I'm not going to mention her name. But even you know who she is. She gave me so much. She doesn’t row the same boat I wrote and this and that. We need your curriculum vitae for this and that blah, blah, blah, that I called the clinician and said, you know, continuing education. I'm going to be speaking for 50 minutes. Do you want me to present all of integrative medicine in 50 minutes? And she goes, Yeah, I get it. What do you want to do? And I said, let me give you guys an introduction. And she says, “ Okay, so I’m all set to go up. It's the lecturer is at eight o'clock in the morning.

The Beginning Of The Journey (59:50)

Dr. Marty Goldstein  59:50

So I go up the night before that day, and the day before, she calls me and says you still covered up? And I said absolutely. She goes, I want you to know, you’ll be talking to a hostile crowd. No. And I went, what? And she goes, yeah, there are veterinarians in this area that are taking animals off chemotherapy, putting them on homeopathic remedies, they're dying. And there's a very bad taste at Angel Memorial for what you're doing and representing. Great, you still have time to back out. And I said no, I'm coming. So I go up there. I go in at 7:30 in the morning, and the waiting room looks like Grand Central Station at Angel Memorial. It's all stone. It's huge. It's life in you'll love this. It's lined with racks of Science Diet. Oh, and now I’m Waiting, getting a little nervous. And I look at the board of staff veterinarians, and you’re ready for this; I count 101 doctors on the step. I thought Angel Memorial had eight or nine vets. So now I am nervous because they are going to kill me. So we walk into the amphitheater; it’s downstairs with windows straight upstairs, like the Roman Colosseum. And I watched these veterinarians file in at 10 to eight in the morning with cups of coffee, in a really bad mood, listening to a holistic veterinarian. And I panicked and froze.  Eighty of them showed up. And I'm looking at them. And I couldn't start because I knew it was dead. And I looked at them. And I said I want you to know I know what you're thinking about me because I used to sit there. When I sat there, I was number two in my class at Cornell. So I know what it takes to go from your viewpoint, over here, to what I'm about to represent. And what I'm about to represent is true holistic medicine. But what you're used to is "ass-holistic" medicine.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  1:01:45

One by one, they started to applaud. And a few of them stood up and gave me a standing ovation. Because I identified what was on what was inside of them. And I presented 183 slides in 50 minutes. We got done. They took me to rounds in the clinic. And the head of Angel Memorial came up to me and said, So, in other words, we're doing it all wrong, aren't we? And I said you are, but I can't leave you with that idea now. Because you don't have to handle it, let's work together. And I was too busy. They were they were three and a half hours away. So, I'm returning to Angel Memorial because the double surgeon in the United States just worked on a dog we rescued. He's the number one reconstructive surgeon in the United States, Dr. Pavletic, he's a great guy. And he is the expert on reconstructive surgery, especially tumors of the head, jaw, and this and that, but II, and what he's doing is what you said before; he’s probably removing their jaws and stuff. So, I will back up the angel; the clinician is still there, and I dealt with this over 20 years ago. I'm going to get a meeting with her doctor, Pavletic, who shows cryo surgery, shows her nutraceuticals, and enters Angel and Cornell. Now, grave accomplished,

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  1:03:24

I hope you are the thin end of a powerful wedge because this isn't happening in Australia. I need help even to go and talk to the veterinary students. They will only advertise it or let them know I'm coming if the students request. I am forbidden to speak. One reason is that I've been associated with a manufacturer of some rural food. So the people who proudly display hills on all their jackets, doors, and everything else in the waiting room wouldn't have this little roll food producer come in because it might promote his business, which I'd sold anyway.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  1:04:02

Can you get me to talk over there?

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  1:04:04

I would love to because you must have those slides and your powerful message. We need you. And I'm sorry. This is happening.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  1:04:17

I've learned to break the veil because I stayed conventional for 47 years. So I know what they're thinking. I know what their thinking process needs to be included. And I could identify with them. And I can do, and you know, the big thing for me because I was soaking them that worked in hiding in 2007. I scored Martha Stewart and Oprah Winfrey in the same year. And at that point, the viewpoint on who I was switched. And I used to, in my lectures, say, you know, I'm not there the two of the three most powerful women on the planet. I'm not their veterinarian because of looks and personality; this stuff works. So it is time. And that was the start of my being able to deal with Oprah every day when her dog was terminal and turning it around. That strengthened me. Kelly Clarkson said it so well: What doesn't kill you only strengthens you. I want to count the Jabra who was at my back. There are many there. And so I, you know, have the ability right now, just from so much experience and turmoil, to go up with anybody. And say, I know what you're thinking about me. Here's the truth. Please listen to me. Give me five minutes. Look at this one case. And then, oh, look at this other case, and, you know, whatever it is, Wow,

Rob Ryan  1:06:19

What a great approach. That's a great approach for all of us. Just come at it from, you know, you started the show with, you know, that you've only come at this with the truth. So it's, it's, that is your fault. Do you follow that path? And it's served you well.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  1:06:36

Yeah. And especially the animals. That's all I care about.

Rob Ryan  1:06:39

Yeah, that's great. I want to get into food. And you know what you're doing, Dr. Marty? So, you know, I'm fascinated by I've looked into how you're making your food. And I've looked into the balance of nutrients. Tell us a little bit; this is pretty groundbreaking stuff. And your your food business is fair. In the scheme of food businesses, it's fairly new and gone. Just crazy. You know, it's, it's gone. Well, so tell. Tell us about it. Yeah. Here's,

The Company Dr. Marty Goldstein Contracted With To Develop The Product (1:07:10)

Dr. Marty Goldstein  1:07:12

I want to touch on a couple of things. The company that I contracted with is amazing. They're at the highest level, with 25 lines in the human field before me. You know, the number one line is Steven Gundry, the cardiac surgeon who wrote the book The Plant Paradox, so they have the expertise in creating products and educating through dissemination; they’re geniuses. So that was a blessing for me. I was, you know, my last few years, I hooked up, and you'll see him in the documentary, the guy that owned the candle I rented called the shack. Yeah, he worked for Boar’s head. Then he got his farm. And he makes some of the high, maybe the highest quality Roby diets I've ever seen. I thought it easy. So we were selling that at my hospital. And this is what our animals were eating. But I was looking at how to get that product across the United States. Yep, refrigeration, shipping, weight, refrigeration, and shipping. Refrigeration at the receiving, then this and that. And this company has expertise in freeze drying. And very well freeze drying is processing. There's nothing like real raw food. And I started the study freeze drying process. And amazingly, you take blueberries at the highest antioxidant concentration level, especially in the studies of blueberries. And as they sit in the store, until you buy them, that level of antioxidants goes down and down and down and down. But if you freeze-dry it at the peak, that antioxidant level stays consistent. Yep. So all of a sudden, this was like, whoa. So, by freeze drying, you're securing the highest nutrient value. You're knocking the weight down tremendously. It's tremendously shelf-stable. Yep. Months and months and months, many months. You're taking the water out, so your chance of pathogen contamination decreases. So you have like four or five slices of cake and eat it too. So we then started to formulate with all foods, especially Organ meats, that's, you know, it's that present. And then, like I said before, getting it to a point where we're making the AAFCO regulations by not adding any supplements in doing everything by studying the nutraceutical value of the supplement in food. So, oh, the sun is right in my eyes now. So this is at the plant. This is our supplementation, one of the vats, and you can see carrots there, spinach, kale, blueberries, and stuff like that. So we got it to a point where we're making whole food. Freeze-dried. Yep. And the number one thing is the animals love it. They love it. But eat, you're going to love this. The first formulation was for different protein types. We have been doing a ton of food allergy testing on our patients in the last ten years, not 100% accurate, but accurate enough to know that if I'm going to make a food containing four different beat proteins, in trouble, I know it. And they said, stick with us because the animals will love it. There are different nutrient properties of each of the different foods, the turkey, you know, the fish that this is that. So I stuck with it. Animals loved this food. And suddenly, they had a customer service team of 250 people; I wasn't getting complaints about it. Also, they will do a 100% refund on their product confidence. Ninety days after you buy it. Even if you return the empty bag, they'll refund you. We weren't getting refund requests due to food sensitivities or allergies. So when I was asked this in podcasts and interviews, weren’t you concerned about the different beat proteins? And I would say no; they asked me why they thought that was. I would say it’s because we’re using high-quality beat proteins. Then, maybe a year and a half ago, I stumbled upon two scientific papers on advanced glycation end products called AGEs and how AGEs are the foundation for inflammatory and allergy reactions in the body. And what causes the formation of AGEs and food heating. Ah, so we would not heat the food. We were freeze-drying it. So what I'm feeling right now is so much allergy to different food types out there. Like an allergy to chicken or an allergy to beef may not be an allergy to the beef so much as it's an allergy to the AGEs is formed with a process to be.

Real Food Doesn’t Cause Allergic Reactions (1:13:59)

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  1:13:59

Marty, you are so 100% right. This was one of the earliest things I saw about protein allergies. Were due to the cooking process. This was before we knew about advanced glycation end products or ages, and it's what a wonderful acronym AGES is exactly what it does. So yeah, your observations, my observations, the just the clinical facts that real food doesn't cause this one is fed in a biologically appropriate manner, which is raw, which is how they are designed for cats and dogs to eat this food. It's a simple hello. Simple. And yet so much science is devoted to dealing with the sickness caused by cooking and all those other things we do to adulterate the food. We don't have to have that problem, and this is what blew me. First, why remove the dreadful food, which is the politically correct food, which is now a cause I call a poisoned chalice, and replace it with actual real food? Problem solved

Dr. Marty Goldstein  1:15:13

So it suits

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  1:15:15

a very lazy person like me, let me say mighty, it's wonderful to hear you confirm that and your science. And what you're looking at confirms it in a very positive way. For those skeptics out there, you're the man. Yeah, you

Dr. Marty Goldstein  1:15:29

No, I don't read veterinary journals. I don't have time to read in general. And I picked up one about a year ago, at least three or four years old. And it got a journal, it was one of the magazines. There was an article by the head nutritionists, board-certified nutritionists in our profession. And they were saying how all these grains and cereal byproducts they're using are, especially corn, a source of such Ideal Protein. And how the use of the word filler to describe these components they put in is so against veterinary science. And reading this article made me nauseous. Wow. I mean, it is, you know, Martha (Stewart)  had me. I thought they gave me my radio show, Ask Martha's Vet, on Sirius for six years. Every week for six years, it was one of the joys of my life how many people were calling in. But you also had me on a TV show at whatever time, the first or second time she had me on. And our TV show was sponsored by one of the big pet food companies at the time. They allowed me to put the formula of that food. It was that food or Science Diet without the company’s name on the screen. And the first ingredient was corn. And the producers allowed me to turn to Martha and say Martha...have you ever seen a dog stalk in an ear of corn? And I found out that they got more calls after that show than they got it the last month of every show, just by that common sense. And when I lecture, I put a photograph of the skull of a dog and a cat. And I say shall be one tooth, and a dog or cat's mouth flat for grinding grain. So why are we making these foods 50, 60, 64% processed cereal byproducts? It's crazy. Crazy.

Rob Ryan  1:18:09

With our remaining time, Dr. Marty, let's quickly touch on vaccines; what are your current thoughts? I’ve been impressed since I got my first dog and met you just now 23 24 years ago. You couldn't even say that word. And now we see many vets discussing the proper implementation of vaccines in a health schedule. So, can you tell us a little bit more about some of your views on that you touch on that?

Dr. Marty Goldstein  1:18:43

It’s probably my passion because it's causing more harm than anything else. And it's the insanity of embracing vaccination protocols in our profession. And I go through this so many times, you know, with clients, they bring their terminal animal, and when I touch on vaccines, you know, what about vaccines? Oh, don't worry, we're all up to date. And I say, and I discuss how that is not necessarily correct. And some of them come back like, I'm crazy and this and that. And I just easily put the light out by saying, What was your last polio shot and a freeze? What was your last measles shot? Are you up to date with this and that? I became aware of this situation way back in the 80s. When I turned animals around all over the United States, they would come with me for chronic illnesses, seizures, tumors, allergies, you name it. And suddenly, I would get it panicle; she had seizures last night, and the tumor started to grow back. And the first thing you do is ask, have you anything different? Have you changed your diet? You know? Have you gotten a new dog, whatever? And I heard over and over again, no. Our veterinarian was impressed with how well she was doing and that we brought her in for annual shots. And I just started to hear that and hear that. And I went, Whoa, shots. You know, they were, that was what we were taught. That was the health that's health one to one. So I started to look at it and look at it, study it, study it. And now it's become a truly brutal Saturday that we give animals all their vaccines. God’s gift was to vet their medicine G dogs every two or three years at the International Symposium 1997. That changed the recommendation. From every year to every three years. She presented studies by Dr. Ron Schulte in Wisconsin that showed the minimum duration of protection from a canine distemper shot would probably give it up to one year of age with seven to 15 years. And then my next-door neighbor at Cornell when I was in vet school. I was in a condo complex. And Fred Scott lived above me on the floor. He became the head virologist and a history at Cornell vet school. Wow, he did a study on feline distemper leukopenia, and he published it in JAMA, the Journal of the American Medical Association, that showed that litters of kittens standardly vaccinated up to one year of age when challenged with live distemper virus and had a beauty again for seven years most of my life. So Gene presented those and got the recommendation changed from every year to every three years. Why not every seven years? Yep. So now, in a nutshell, the insanity is that we're giving the Great Dane and the Chihuahua the same dose. USDA studies show that the Great Danes’ dose could be up to seven to 10 times what the Great Thing needs. And we're giving that every single year. The documented side effects of vaccines in the literature right now are huge. There is a medical condition in human medicine called the allergic breakthrough phenomenon. Jean Dodds wrote about it because it's also an animal's where the vaccine instigates an autoimmune response of the body's immune cells against its cells. Yep. It is all proven. She took a study in France with Rod Schultz, where they vaccinated dogs standardly for rabies up to one year of age. They took titers every year to test the immunity challenge of dogs with live rabies virus, and that one dual got rabies for eight years. They replicated this study. It's called the Rabies Challenge Fund. And they did it for up to five years. You know why they didn't do it for eight years? Because USDA ran out of Live rabies virus. Yep. So it ended there. And they proved that in standardized rabies vaccines, the duration of protection is at least five years. So why are we publishing these animals with all these viral engine components, let alone the other stuff? The antifungals, the five aerosols, and the adjuvants that cause more damage than the vaccine itself, and I tell you what they if you want to read anything, read the one chapter in the spirit of animal healing, that I wrote on vaccines updated by chapter that I wrote 2023 years ago. My dear friend is now running for the president of the United States against Joe Biden, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., and read what I quote him because he is the real deal regarding the true harm of vaccines in children. And he's coming out publicly with science. I got all my redness to go away. You're welcome.

Why Aren’t We Doing This? (1:25:15)

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  1:25:15

You asked a question. Why are we doing this? Tell me what happened to me in 1975, my last year in vet school. We were taught puppy shots a year later. That was it. By 1980, We'd had a rep from one of the major vaccine manufacturing companies. And they told us we have this scathingly brilliant idea. Why don't you vaccinate every year? Because we need to get animals in for a wellness check? You need that as an excuse. The vaccines are harmless, and they can only do good. And it may be that one or two animals out there don't have a good immune system. And they don't have a great response. So, we can see no harm in the profession advertising that they must be vaccinated yearly. This Australian veterinary profession took it on like crazy. And that's where it started in Australia, at least from a position of never doing this to a position of this was what this became standard, no science, nothing at all beyond the fact that there was this was a marketing campaign by a vaccine manufacturer. That was the beginning of it in Australia. I don't know about America. But

Dr. Marty Goldstein  1:26:42

Oh, I know, in America, it was the 70s. It was one doctor at Cornell. I just went blank on his name, but the Cornell Foundation is named after him. And what he did is they started to do titling and test immunity. They found that a number of dogs didn't retain immunity from the distemper vaccine for the past year. First, the vaccines were very low quality, and the testing procedures were very low. And what he did is he came out with a blanket statement that because we're not 100% certain that all vaccines are going to generate a beauty beyond one year. Let's standardly vaccinate every year, which will be a huge monetary benefit to our profession. Yep, I blanked on his name. But it's, you know, the foundation of the quarter vet school is named after him. I'll think of it: it's in the book.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  1:27:58

Yes, but those were roughly the words, except they didn't have the science behind them. They just said we're still determining. Therefore, this is what we must do. Crazy.

Dr. Marty Goldstein  1:28:09

Crazy. And it's just, I mean, once as a practicing veterinarian, once I became aware, and the thing about the vaccine is it's almost a delayed-type immunological response anywhere from seven to 65 days. So you give the vaccine, everything is fine. And then, 32 days later, the dog has seizures, or the tuber grows, you don't pinpoint on the vaccine. So, that is the problem with the vaccine. And then once you become aware of that, you say you saw as many seriously ill animals as I've seen in my career coming in from all over the world. And you go into the history of weather conditions and look back at three weeks before he got all his vaccines. And then you have

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  1:29:11

something else. I need to add to that. It was a different experience in Australia because we were feeding mainly raw foods, or at least half the vaccinated population was being fed raw foods. We were not getting these reactions to our food, which was blocking those bad reactions. Right, because they're out. Yeah. Yeah. And I recall Catherine O'Driscoll, who sadly has passed away, began a campaign because she saw what you saw in the United Kingdom. The terrible results of vaccines given to animals fed this poison chalice food are politically correct. I found this difficult to believe because I was not seeing that, and I didn't correlate with what they were being fed then. But you know, hindsight is wonderful. And you can see how this has evolved this epidemiological situation that as we increase the PC food, we increase the bad reactions to vaccines. Ironically, possibly the fact that those early studies were dogs who didn't retain their immune status were probably being fed. Poison chalice.