• Introductions 0:00

• How Did You Know You Had Lyme Disease? 4:35

• Show Up For Yourself And Your Pets 10:46

• Dogs Are Mirrors Of You 14:51

• How Did You Become Interested In Animal Pain? 20:01

• What Is Energy Body Balance And How Does It Work? 24:03

• The Importance Of Taking A Deep Breath 30:10

Introductions 0:00

Rob Ryan  00:00

Hi, everybody; it's great to be with you. I'm excited, and we get to talk to another excellent veterinarian in Australia. This is Dr. Edward, the healing vet, Bassingthwaighte.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  00:18

long terrible last name.

Rob Ryan  00:20

It's a long terrible last name, but once you get it, you get it. And so he also said, we can call on Dr. Edward, the healing vet. So welcome Dr. Edward, the healing vet.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  00:31

Yeah, thanks for having me,

Rob Ryan  00:33

Thank you. So one of the cool things when I found you researched you and learned a little bit more about you and your practice. Well, there's many things. But one of the things that stuck out to me is my partner, Ian Billinghurst, Dr. Ian Billinghurst, my vet, who's been my vet for 11 years, and several others, and you all have these: you share these refined art passions. So Ian's a painter, my vet is a woodworker, and you have this side of you that's a musician. And it always strikes me, it's certainly not 100% of the great holistic,  functional multi-modality, that's, but there's a there's something that you guys all share,  there's a little bit of a renaissance person in you, you know if we can use the term. But there's this: you guys have multi-facets of yours of yourselves; do you have any clue of why that might be? Have you ever thought of that?

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  01:46

Um, I don't know, I'm just doing many different things. I like beautiful things. I've been doing music since since I was about, I don't know, 13 or 14 at school. And, yeah, I like making beautiful things, as beautiful as possible.  I am trying to determine where that comes from and why it is. I grew up in a family that values art and beautiful things, too. That might have some impact on it. And it is healthy as a veterinarian if you don't have any passions outside of your work. That’s unhealthy.

Rob Ryan  02:28

Yeah, if your life is solely animals practicing healing, seeing illness, or some dysregulation or dysfunction. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Well, I find that very interesting. I think there's something about that. I think some of the greatest healers also have a science side and their art side, and when they practice they can, they can go back and forth between one or the other very quickly. So yeah. Yeah, I'm suddenly very cool about that. So we're going to talk about your practice. And there's so much about you. That's super interesting. I mean, you have this background with horses and cattle, and then what brought you to medicine, from what I've read, was your diagnosis of chronic fatigue and Lyme disease. Well,

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  03:24

that's certainly what brought me to the more holistic, complementary alternative, intuitive energy healing side of things because when I, after I got diagnosed with Western medicine, it helped me with a couple of things, a couple other significant kind of symptoms, but then they ran out of answers quickly, and I was lifted. I had to find something to help me feel at least somewhat better. And I discovered that I made many diet changes and explored a lot of supplements and herbs and things like that. And that's gagged me into energy healing as well because it gave me more symptomatic relief than anything else that I was able to find.

Rob Ryan  04:03

Wow, that's great. Is there anything more than others that gave you the biggest bang for your buck regarding your symptoms? Well,

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  04:15

the whole chronic fatigue, things are pretty complex, Cisco; I think there were a lot of different factors,  trauma from boarding school, and I had a dreadful root canal that I didn't know was a dreadful root canal till some 15 years later when I had it removed, and my health improved.

How Did You Know You Had Lyme Disease? 4:35

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  04:35

I didn't realize I had Lyme, probably for the first 15 years of being unwell. So I just hovered around in chronic unwellness and got to go and see a practitioner and got a little bit better for six months, and then it stopped working. So, getting onto Lyme herbs was one of the critical things. I also then got on to a prescription medication called low-dose naltrexone, which helped a lot. I got out of abusive marriages and relationships and got into healthy social and intimate relationships. So there's a whole enormous broad range of things. Wow, I got back into exercising consistently, doing resistance exercises. And Qigong is another thing that I found helpful for vitality and well-being at the time.

Rob Ryan  05:19

Wow, you weren't working at it? Oh, god.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  05:23

Yeah, I still do every five days a week. I try. Never in the morning for my health and well-being to be good

Rob Ryan  05:28

for you. It's what occurred to me is that you're the opposite of what many people do, which is normalize their pain. You said you were living with this; you probably just dismissed it as a mom probably working too hard. I'm tired. I'm not sleeping. Well, you didn't diagnose your Lyme disease.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  05:50

Well, I didn't even realize that Lyme was the thing that could be ended up. I was doing some work with someone who had had Lyme. And they said, Well, you probably should get on some Lyme hurts. And when I did, I went to read Stephen Buddha's books all about Lyme and CO infections and Bartonella and a whole lot of other things. And it took quite another; it took some years of being on the herbs to get the improvement. But yeah, that was a big turning point.

Rob Ryan  06:19

So, you also mentioned you got into these unhealthy relationships. I want to bring that to dogs. Do you think they usually can't get out of unhealthy relationships? What? What impact do you think that has on dogs, disease state, or wellness?

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  06:48

Well, it has a profound in the state of being a state consciousness of humans are at has a profound impact on animals. These days, I'm not so much a primary care veterinarian; I consult one and a half days a week, and I call myself an intuitive integrative vet these days. So, I've been doing intuitive work and energy healing with animals and humans for decades. So I find a lot of the time, I'm working with the humans as much as I am with the dogs or the cats. Humans often have an emotionally codependent thing going on with their pets where they use the pets to help regulate themselves in a way that's possibly not the healthiest thing for all parties concerned. You get many humans that are kind of overly like helicopter pet parents so that they, if they get a puppy, over the puppy, and if there's the slightest little thing that stresses the puppy out a little bit, they're patting it and soothing it. The animals never get a chance to learn how to self-regulate. And humans, in general, are terrible at expressing healthy boundaries when it comes to their interactions with their pets. Yeah.

Rob Ryan  08:08

Well, many dog trainers would agree with you. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's me for

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  08:15

one sec. I've got a cat who wants to come in. Sure.

Rob Ryan  08:21

I love this background.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  08:24

banging on the door. You have to interrupt the podcast. It's nothing. That's

Rob Ryan  08:29

awesome. Now, mine is right here, just lying down. But the helicoptering is constant. You were saying that it's okay. Petting, it's okay. It's fine. I'm sure there are. There are a lot of different ideas of how to train your dogs, but it's my experience that many of them will tell you that. All you're doing is setting in stone that the reaction that that dog is having at that moment is okay or should be reinforced. So if the dog is stressed out or worried or upset or angry, you're marking that as that's the correct, that's the correct feeling to have. Right? Well,

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  09:21

I am curious to know if it's correct. But whatever you reinforce tends to get stronger with your animals. I think the other thing is that most humans don't know how to show up as what I call a benevolent leader for their dogs, which is sometimes you have to ask your dogs to do things they don't want because it's the best thing for them, like maybe go on a diet, and when they're hungry, you don't give them food. Or you say Well, I have a personal space. I'd like you to respect that a little bit. The first time I do that, many people will look at their faces, and it's emotionally challenging for them because they can't bear their dog having even healthy emotional discomfort. So That's a big part two of the whole energy body balance method I've created and taught. It's not just about finding and relieving soft tissue pain, neck and back pain, trauma, and anxiety. It's about learning to be able to talk dog and talk cat and have more open communication, healthier connection, and a stronger relationship. This is something that I'm still working on in all aspects of my life. The association is infinite. You're never going to. You're always going to be getting better at that communication and connection and flexibility and showing up in a powerful but kind way.

Show Up For Yourself And Your Pets 10:46

Rob Ryan  10:45

yeah. Up a benevolent leader, is that what you called it?

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  10:52

Neverland? Yeah, kind? Yep. Yep. So I ask people if you've ever worked for someone who just inspired you to want to do your best, who was kind, who wasn't micromanaging. Who brought out the best in you? That's what I encourage people to be for their pets. Well,

Rob Ryan  11:11

Dr. Edward, this is a beautiful articulation of what I still need to articulate, which is how I think you should show up for your pets and what I try. And it is a constant effort. Not in every moment, but  you do have to think sometimes about how you how you're getting read by your animal,  you're getting read by them,  oh,

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  11:42

yeah, they are animals who read nonverbal communication about a million times better than us. The other key thing I say to people when I come in is that I work with many people with dog behavior issues of one kind or another. And you got to be more determined than your dog. Otherwise, you lost, right? You can't help them, and you can't get them into a place that will be healthy for you and them and safe for them. So that you can ask them to do what they need to do to be safe and to be able to live with you harmoniously. It's another thing is saying,  showing up for your pets? Well, the most important thing I've learned is you have to show up for yourself first before you can shop for anyone that, including your pets, and you have to fill your cup to overflowing before you can give in a healthy way to your pets to your family and out into the world. The biggest lesson I've learned from chronic illnesses is that if you've not got an excellent, consistent self-care thing going on in your life, then you're dead in the water. Yeah,

Rob Ryan  12:49

yeah. Well, it certainly makes it pretty tricky. And to be that benevolent leader. So it just occurred; I'm playing as you're talking; I'm playing scenes from just like the last few weeks with my dog. I mean, they're, they're just in the top my head,  the front of my, of my mind. And I fast my dog once a week, and I feel bad about it daily. Every week I do that. They I do it. that's normal. But e is l-driven rather od-driven. So what we do is we make adjustments. And usually, what I do is I fast them on days when I'm swamped, and I leave him at home. And he sleeps. So if I'm around often, he's in his usual patterns. And he's he knows,  there's typical times when he gets fat or cues or all that, and I remove those. And also, it's no secret that I am a little soft. I'm not really; I'm not completely hard, hard-edged. But so I will give him like 32 ounces on his fasting days of coconut water. It's what he likes. Yeah,

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  14:13

he gets sick; good compromise. O, say that people will if it's too emotionally difficult for you and you talk too fast, then bone broth is another thing you can use in past days. Yeah, but the other thing is,  with my dogs and cats, when I first see them, I don't change anything because it allows me to give them a healthy No, which is good for both of us, even though it's a bit uncomfortable for both of us,  so yeah, that's true.

Rob Ryan  14:37

Yeah, well, and on that note, and first of all, the coconut water I like because I've said this many times, it's worth repeating. It flushes them out. So, the colon almost gives a whole day of colon rest, which is a perfect thing.

Dogs Are Mirrors Of You 14:51

Rob Ryan  14:51

All the organs get a rest. But it's pure coconut water, no sugar, nothing added. Just make that clear. The other thing, too, is that all my dogs have labs. So,  they're, they love food, I

Rob Ryan  15:10

love food,

Rob Ryan  15:11

and so I have a six-foot rule. And when I'm eating, you're six feet away. And that's it, and everybody knows it. And it's simple. There's no yelling, and there's no scolding.  I just, I'm, in fact, most of the stuff I whisper, I make you listen to what I'm saying. And,  I'll say, No, that's, this isn't happening, get back down,  really calm, really secure, confident. And,  I just tried to show up the way I want; I would like somebody to show up for me; I'm in command; there's nothing to worry about. Everything's under control. And everything's,  we're content. Everything's stasis. So, I appreciate what you say there. I'm going to have to take this course because I'm just so into this. And,  how, how come I feel this for kids, and I think this for animals? It is for animals because they don't have we don't have the same communication as we do with our kids. But, or that we know of anyway. But learn how people show up so neurotically for their animals and what it does to animals; it's just a shame.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  16:41

It is, yeah. And everyone's got their journey, too. So if anyone out there is listening,  don't beat yourself up; if you suddenly notice that you might be doing this, it's an, it's more like, Whoa, there's an opportunity to make a positive change, that's going to make a big difference for, for my pets. And for me, they won't make positive changes in their lives for themselves until they realize that they're doing it for their pets. Then they'll suddenly do all these things, and they've got to elements of healthy discomfort that they wouldn't dream of doing just for themselves. So you can use the pets as a motivator to create positive change in your life. Because every time you deal with your anxiety or work to resolve and integrate traumas that you've had in your life and that sort of thing, your pets get tremendous benefit from that. Yeah,

Rob Ryan  17:34

it's incredibly accurate. And if you see, if you see behaviors in your dog that you've had, we'll use dogs as an example that you've had for a long time, hey, it's an opportunity, it's that they are mirrors of you. And,  I mean, they're real mirrors. So if you're seeing some, some behaviors, look, I have many people that are close to me, very close to me, that are have a lot of unwanted, bizarre behaviors. And,  all I can say is, look, you've got to look inward, and you've got to evaluate what's going on in the home if it's your spouse, or your kid or kids got to look at it,  but these are, these are rugged looks. They're good opportunities. I like that word. They're good opportunities and chances. I mean, we spend a ton of money for therapists to tell us what we're thinking and how we're behaving. Well, the dog is doing that. Yeah, the dog is just mirroring it all back to you. So tell me about the web.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  18:41

So the whole energy body bounce method is something that I've created over King hands-on with 1000s and 1000s of animals. Oh, he comes a cat. Come to jaw Hey, just property she loves coming up getting in the middle of the whenever I'm doing podcasts or videos and video bombing us. So, I first started working hands-on with animals. When I was about a year and a half out from vet school, I came in. I was lucky enough to be in a town where a vet called Dr. Tom Ahern came to do some work with some horses. Dr. Tom had worked out a way of working with horses next,  releasing tension and restrictions throughout the spine in the neck. And he would get these horses that had a falling lameness that other vets had nerve locked in x, rayed, and worked up once, twice, three times, but couldn't find any cause for it in their workup. And Dr. Tom would talk to these horses, get them down and stretch and mobilize the neck, and then the lameness would disappear. So, as he taught me,  you can get no root compressions that can cause pain dysfunction, where those no His feet out in the body.

How Did You Become Interested In Animal Pain? 20:01

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  20:01

And I was fascinated because no one had taught me anything about this university in my veterinary training. Yeah, my next thought was, well, what about dogs and cats because they have necks and backs too? So I just started exploring more, with more curiosity and a little bit deeper throughout the channels and spines of all the animals are seeing. Very quickly, I began finding areas of pain restriction and tension that, before I started actively looking for them, I was missing them. Now, when I saw it, I wanted to help these animals. So, I started playing with pressure and hand movement physical therapy. There are no modalities then to learn. You see, there wasn't that you've got bone, and Emmett and myotherapy, and millions of different things you can know these days, but 25 years ago, there just wasn't anything available. Yeah. So I just learned by doing, and then I got chronic fatigue; I got a lot of pain and tension myself. So then I had a lot of high-level physical therapists, Rolfers, cranial sacral practitioners, osteopaths, and all sorts of people work with me. And being on the autistic spectrum, I've got a very, very highly refined kinesthetic sensitivity. So, I learned a lot from having people work on me and then apply it to the animals. So yeah, and then what happened is I formulated this into skills. And probably about 10-11 years ago, I started teaching face-to-face classes. And then, in 2019, we started teaching online. And now we've got, I don't know, some 40 to 43 practitioners and seven certified teachers worldwide, and 1000s of other people that have done it more for their pets. And one of the big things that motivates me is that there's this thing I've discovered called Silent pain. So, animals can have high soft tissue neck and back pain. They don't show you any signs of it. They and I learned that because I miss awful neck pain. In my little dog, Mitzi, for three weeks. Now. I took him off to be my demonstration dog at an event, and he was just slightly grumpy about other dogs coming nearer to him than usual. That night, I went home, and I found that I had hit his neck; he was gone. Oh, that's sore. I'm going. What the hell's going on? He seemed to be expected. He was running around, jumping in the car when we went for walks, and not showing any fundamental behavioral changes that were even an experience, but I could see that there was pain. Now, it turns out Mitzi had had a fall on the steps three weeks before that that my wife had seen. But as she said, he got up, took himself off, and seemed fine. So I didn't think to tell you, so that was pretty upsetting for me to be Miss to Miss Pain and Mind Dog, you know? And that's when I started thinking, well, if, if an experienced vet can miss that level of pain in their dog, how many? How many other pets have pain that the humans can't see? Yeah, and it turns out, it's around about 53% of people are missing significant soft tissue pain in their pets, and just almost every second animal that comes through the door to see me once I get my hands on them. We have found significant pain and suffering e, and the thing about sorrow and pain is that that the only way you can 100% consistently find it is to feel the body. When you engage with the pain intention, animals go like this and show you, Oh, that's where it hurts; that's how much it hurts. So yeah, my passion is trying to because this is still not being taught in vet schools. Another problem with it is that it's invisible to X-rays and ultrasounds and CTS and MRI scans. And if I'm talking to a group of people in person, I ask how many people have woken up one morning or stretched the wrong way in their back or next gone ping, and they've been in agony for days?

What Is Energy Body Balance And How Does It Work? 24:03

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  24:03

Yeah, hands go up everywhere, right? But probably 4999 times out of 100. If you go to a doctor like that, and they do X-rays and everything, they'll say, well, we can't see anything. We'll give you some pain relief. Up you go. Well,

Rob Ryan  24:19

you don't practice chiropractic.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  24:22

Now, what I practice is not chiropractic chiropractic. They do manipulations, which are small but high amplitude, high velocity, energy coming into the body with hands, or they have these little trigger things. Yeah. So whole energy body balance is a neuro fascial bodywork, working with neuro fascial tissues. There's a range of skills ranging from gentle, delicate, subtle light work like cranial sacral. We have some particular skills that are very good for relaxing the animal, so practice every day can help anxious and traumatized animals to improve their symptoms dramatically. Yep. And then, we have an assessment process where you can work out where all the pain is in the body and a range of more profound release and mobilization work to heal that. And it's easy to learn. Once you know what I mean, you say that about riding a bicycle. But if you've never ridden a bike, and you got on one at 40 or 50, you probably fall over a few times before you can ride along, right? Yeah.

Rob Ryan  25:24

Yeah, it's not easy to learn at all. So would you would you recommend then? And I'm assuming the answer is yes. Based on what you just said, Would you recommend pet parents take your course and learn? Really,

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  25:38

okay. Because really, you need to get your hands on your pet's roundabout at least once a week because you don't know if your pet slept in a funny position. And they've come got a song that they didn't have before. You don't know what your pets have been doing when you're out at work. Maybe they slipped when they jumped off the couch, and perhaps they fell going up the steps, or maybe they were playing with their friend and had a crash. The thing about this is silent pain, chronic soft tissue pain; it builds up over time from all the wear and tear and traumas and events of life. So, any animal over five or seven years of age will need regular bodywork to help keep them as comfortable as possible.

Rob Ryan  26:20

Yeah, it stacks.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  26:23

Yeah, that's what happens. It does. It stacks through life as we would know as we get older, right?

Rob Ryan  26:30

Yeah, right. Right. It would be best if you had your hand on your pet, cat, dog, or horse all the time. I mean, well, if you win.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  26:41

everything, we pet and touch our animals all the time, right? We'd love to give them attention. If you come to Lyon Hall with energy body balance, then you can make all your touch therapeutic and, healing, and connecting, and it also makes your relationship with your pets better. As you can see, providing enjoys this quite a lot. She chases me around and demands that.

Rob Ryan  27:06

you become this, like, I mean,  the thing that we revere our animals for just how amazing they are; you become more of that by being able to connect on this weird, magical level that they have, which is energy, I think,  and I mean, that's a pretty special gift to be able to give yourself?

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  27:34

Well, we have, we have kind of two major strands of the work in the whole energy body balance method; we have the bodywork side of things, which is all about the physical therapy, really engaging with the tissues and structures of the body to find and relieve pain and tension. And, of course, that helps anxiety and trauma as well because anything that happens to the body affects the whole body. Then, the second central thread that we have in teachers is energy work, which is intuitive awakening and using natural healing energies to support your pet's well-being and to connect more deeply with them, understand them better, and all that sort of thing.

Rob Ryan  28:15

Wow. Wow. Okay, I'm, I'm very interested in this personally. So if somebody thought this was a little woo-woo, we say that, at least in the United States, or too mystical or just seeming a little far out. What do you say to that?

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  28:41

Look, there's some pretty good evidence out there. Some very high-grade, replicated, randomized, placebo-controlled studies show proof that energy, energy therapies, or energy healing can provide a benefit more remarkable,  significantly, statistically significantly more than a placebo. So there is, it surprises many people to find that. Now, science is not mature,  and science is expensive and complicated. But even so, there is evidence that shows that it works. And for me, when I first learned the first modality that did energy-based kinds of therapies that I learned many years ago. My little dog showed me clearly that she could tell when I was using this at a distance. She liked it because she would come and sit at my feet every time I practiced. I would be sitting in the same place in my little hut where I lived on the farm, doing the same kind of thing, pen on paper. Still, she wouldn't come and turn up when I was writing, but within a few minutes, every single time, I connected to that energy, and you know, after 20 or 30 times, it was apparent, Wow. She can feel what's going on, and she wants to be near it. She wants to like it. She can sense it at a distance and wants to be with me while I'm doing it. That was probably when I first went. Wow. Look at that. Yeah, that's wild.

The Importance Of Taking A Deep Breath 30:10

Rob Ryan  30:10

Yeah. Well, and also, one of my, one of the gifts that I give myself daily that I look for my dog is that deep breath, that deep, calm, slow breath. Yeah, that to me is I take that as a win, personally, because there's an environment there; he's entirely at rest. I mean, he's different. Because my dogs go everywhere with me, they do everything they may know that I'm,  I'm just doing all kinds of stuff, and they're in it, they're, they're excited, they're happy to be doing things with me. And then we chill out, and I usually nap once a day for 10 minutes. And we do that. And, there's a, there's, there's this like, Okay, it's time to work. And okay, it's time to chill and relax. And, and then, putting them in commands. Like, I have to take a break command, and I have a down order. Those are basically: take a break and casually relax. It's ing to turn off your brain. We're finding it now. Yeah. But that you're, you're, you're bringing these things up for me as you're talking because,  I, the deep breath is a good one.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  31:28

well, absolutely. We have physical silent pain in pets, but many animals suffer emotional thought and pain, which is undiagnosed anxiety, over-excitement, and over-arousal; you get these animals that can't switch off the can't settle that are hyper-vigilant very excited can't learn or have training and behavior problems. Now, all of these animals can't regulate healthy relaxation. And that is very unhealthy for these animals. And that's another key thing I love helping people and animals with, with the whole energy body balance work. And I, for instance, had a stuffy come to see me a few years ago. Huge, enormous, muscley fellow. The woman and the family had been studying nursing at home mostly. Then, she graduated and went off to the hospital for shift work. And this dog lost his mind and was eating the house when, like delights, he had severe separation anxiety. Well, I taught them how to do some relaxing touches from the whole energy body balance method. And I suspect that she and her two daughters cave their dog about, I don't know, 30 hours of relaxing touch a day. Because within two weeks, separation anxiety was gone. That dog was sometimes not even getting off his bed, and he was so relaxed when his mom came home. So wow. That's the other big thing that that I'm passionate about is helping people teach their dogs how to switch off and relax and become easy because that's something that humans are getting bad at. We tend to want to stimulate and excite our dogs. We never teach them how to come back down, switch off relaxing, and get into that healthy relaxation state, and the dog should be spending around 80% or more of their life in healthy relaxation. That includes sleep. Yeah, but most dogs don't do that.

Rob Ryan  33:28

Yeah, it's like lions; most of their life is sleeping.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  33:32

Well, you look at Wild Dogs yesterday, but it's sleeping, too.

Rob Ryan  33:36

Yep, yep. Do you know what occurs to me with your musical abilities? You should come out with a cool, like, on a loop, you can just when somebody leaves, and they want to,  do the energy work to their dogs. And then when they're going, they can put that on play or keep replaying it.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  34:00

I know someone I've interviewed for summits and things like that who does at least suspect, so you might want to get her on your show at some point, too. But she has created much music specifically for dogs for relaxation. So

Rob Ryan  34:12

I'm into that. Into that, I have my first black lab—his name's buddy. And I used to call when turning on my buddy's channel. I used to have smooth, really smooth soundscapes and lovely ones. And boy, when I turned that sucker on the human right to his bed, he was like he was out talking about Pavlovian response or fish, to be sure. What was that person's name?

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  34:39

Lisa Specter.

Rob Ryan  34:41

Lisa Specter. Okay. All right, Lisa, we're coming for you. Want to talk to you?

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  34:46

Oh, she's lovely. I've interviewed her a few times. She's an incredible human. Awesome.

Rob Ryan  34:51

Well, this was a great window. I'd like to have you on again. And I'd like to go. I want to take your course. And I'd like I have to talk to you in much more depth about this. Okay, I'm sorry.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  35:04

we could, and I could a dozen times; I have so many exciting things we can discuss.

Rob Ryan  35:09

Oh, yeah, I mean, this is just like,  this is a, once you open this box, there's all sorts of things flowing out of it.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  37:05

Yeah, well, you can only do what when, and then you go and grow, and you can do more. Right?

Rob Ryan  37:09

That's right. Well, Dr. Edward, thank you for this time. We'll go deeper into some more topics in the future, and I know it's early for you in the morning. I am over in Australia, so thanks again for doing this early with us.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  37:27

Yeah, you're welcome, and look for anyone out there watching and listening to you. If you want to work with me, go to whole energy body bounce.com. You can drop into the healing vet.com. Also, do you know Holistic Veterinary is mentoring and consulting worldwide over Zoom? I have a free pet silent pain, anxiety, and trauma masterclass that you can come along and learn all the nitty gritty when it comes to pet silent pain and what you need to do to find,  make sure that you're not missing it, and keep your dogs happy and comfortable in his brain.

 

Rob Ryan  38:01

And once between the healing vet.com And the whole energy body balanced.com?

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  38:09

Well, whole energy body bounce.com Is the modality or the method that I've created. So that's this healing bodywork and energy work for pets, people, and horses. So you can learn as a home practitioner, and you can get certified as a professional practitioner if you'd rather if you want to do the work more largely. We have teacher training programs, and the healing vet.com is more Mike, my work as a practice as a veterinary practitioner.

Rob Ryan  38:36

That's great. That's wonderful. All right. Well, thank you very much for being with me. And thank you all for watching today. And just Dr. Edward, stay with me. I'll We'll end the recording, and I'll chat with you for a little bit afterward. Talk to you about the program. And thank you, everybody, for watching. Have a great night.

Dr. Edward Bassingthwaighte  38:58

See you later. Thank you.