Understanding The Microbiome (1:24)

• Introduction To The Raw Diet For Animals.
• The Microbiome Is Becoming The State Of The Art Of Medicine.
• Fecal Transplants For Dogs.

How To Get The Microbiome Deeper Into The Intestines? (6:33)

• Dr. B Is Listening And Learning From An Expert.
• Double Wall, Triple Wall And Nuggets.
• Breaking Up The 100 Trillion Microbes In The Mouth.
• Breaking Up A Biofilm.

The Biofilm In The Mouth (11:24)

• What A Biofilm Is And How It Affects The Mouth.
• How Diet Affects The Microbiome.
• Attacking The Gut From Both Ends.
• The Case Of Titan, A Cocker Spaniel.

The Story Of Titan’s Story. (16:05)

• The Dog "Titan" Was Hit By A Car In 2022.
• Three-Year-Old Dog Gets A Fecal Transplant.
• Owner Calls To Say She Has Blood In Her Urine.

How Does A Fecal Transplant Work? (20:32)

• Urine Transplant On A Dog With High Ph.
• Urine Transplants On A Cat.
• How A Fecal Transplant Can Help A Paralyzed Dog.
• Oxytocin And Heartworm.

Fecal Transplants Vs. Blood Transfusion (25:36)

• The Art Of Veterinary Medicine.
• Blood Transfusions VS. Fecal Transplants.
• The Future Of Veterinary Medicine.
• Improving 80% Of Immune System With A Fecal Transplant.
• Four Months Ago, Two Puppies Came Into The Clinic.
• The Dogs Acted Just Like Poodles.

Do You Take Poop From Healthy Animals Or Sick Animals? (33:32)

• Taking Poop From Healthy Animals And Giving It To Healthy Animals.
• Dogs In Portugal.
• The Medicine Of The Future Is Individualized
• The Chronological History Of The Earth

How Do We Protect The Microbiome? (38:41)

• Protecting The Microbiome And Protecting Animals.
• Fecal Transplants Are Important For The Microbiome.
• Fecal Transplants Through The Rectum Rather Than The Mouth.
• The Fecal Transplant Protocol For Humans.
• The Story Of Doris, The Demented Woman.
• Fecal Transplants.

The Fecal Transplants And The Microbiome (45:39)

• Fecal Transplants Have Changed Dr. Roman's Life.
• Dr. Roman Uses Probiotics For 35 Years.
• Balancing The Microbiome With Probiotics.
• The Four Components Of A Fecal Transplant.

The Poop And The Microbiome. (50:10)

• Vaginally Born Individuals Pick Up The Microbiome From Their Mom.
• Antibiotics Are Toxic To Animals.
• Give The Tools To The Body To Repair Itself.
• Double-blind studies On Biometric Cases.

The Importance Of Ozone Therapy (55:04)

• The Importance Of Ozone Therapy.
• How Many Species Of Good Bacteria A Dog Has.
• Ozone Therapy For Coronavirus, Coronavirus And Fungi.
• How To Use Ozone In The Mouth.

Oxygen Therapy Would Wreck Most Veterinary Practices (59:42)

• Ozone Therapy Would Wreck Most Veterinary Practices
• Zulay Asaro-Zoo Lady, Ozone Therapy.
• There Should Be Lots Of Funding Out There.
• Roman Talks About His First Fecal Transplant.

The Impact Of Meat On The Environment. (1:04:06)

• The Impact Of Raising 170 Pound Dogs For 11 Years.
• The Impact On The Environment.
• Dogs That Are 92% Plant-Based Are Thriving.
• Dogs Are Thriving On A Plant-Rich Diet.

Big Pharma’s Impact On The Microbiome. (1:08:09)

• Big pharma companies see money being made.
• Consciousness of people is occurring.
• Get back to the farmers and know their farmers.
• The evolution of the microbiome.
• The importance of taking care of the earth.
• The three modalities of diet and ozone.

Rob Ryan  00:01

Hello, everybody. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening, wherever you are in the world. Today's a great show. It is about poop, specifically fecal transplants, and we will do a special bonus. That's a surprise in the middle to end of this beyond fecal transplants. But first, let me bring on one of the best veterinarians in the world. Dr. Ian Billinghurst is one of my good friends and partners at Gussy's Gut.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  00:32

Good morning, everybody. Good morning, Rob.

Rob Ryan  00:36

Good morning. Good morning to you. Good afternoon to me, and you're ready to talk—poop transplants.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  00:45

I was enthralled. I'm looking forward to this because it will be a great learning experience.

Rob Ryan  00:53

Grab the share link on YouTube or Facebook and send this to your vet if this interests you because we'll try to do some high-end, medium, and low-level at the consumer and veterinary levels. So let's get into it. One of the finest veterinarians, actually from one of the previous podcasts that were referred to us by Dr. Odette Souter, is she's a leader in this space. And somebody I've just had the most fun getting to know. Dr. Margo Roman.

Understanding The Microbiome (1:24)

Dr. Margo Roman  01:24

Hello, how are you guys? Thank you for inviting me. And first of all, I want to tell everybody how much I love Ian for introducing me to the raw diet. I had already started doing it for my animals and had very little guidance until I had his lecture at the AVMA convention over 20 years ago. With that, it gave me the confidence to support my clients and understand that we need to have this raw bacteria food in our diets. I mean, everything has bacteria in it. And so we needed this to balance out the gut. And it's been a struggle standing up to other veterinarians and universities and people saying that you're going to kill everybody if you give a raw diet. And so I've been feeding raw diets for over 35 years. And so it's, it's, he's been my, one of the people, I cherish the knowledge that he's given me. And now I'm going to provide him with some of the good shit I will give them, which is understanding the microbiome and the microbiome. We all thought we had to remove all this material from them; it was contaminated and poisoned. It was killing us and bacteria, bacteria, bacteria. And we realize that 80% of our immune system comes from our gut. So, we must respect, care for, and nurture it. And that's one of the things I've been doing on this generation, for six generations. Seven generations of dogs have been encouraged, given only organic, fresh, raw food for over 30 years. So, I must share that with many people because most people have yet to do that. I haven't heard of anybody who's done that because I have many choices to treat as a holistic, integrative veterinarian. I haven't used antibiotics on these generations for 30 years. So I have acupuncture, herbs, homeopathy, ozone, and combinations of first aid stuff that's just healthy to use instead of antibiotics. And so my clients appreciate it. These dogs have grown into very healthy animals and live long lives. But not anymore; now, the microbiome is becoming the state-of-the-art art of medicine, and we respect that microbiome. Even the AVMA (the American Veterinary Medical Association) came out in 2020 and said, We can no longer throw antibiotics at everything; we have to be informed about our antibiotic use. And that's important because if we don't care for that gut, it won't take care of us. And that's our immune system.

Rob Ryan  04:11

Well, this is a great start. I want to do a quick little, and I do want to get a word in here at the beginning, but I want to say, Yeah, I want a swift, quick thought: 30 years ago, you were introduced to raw. And they've been saying for 30 years that it'll kill your dog. And look at where we are. No dogs have died in our care; mine have in yours, and all of your care and your patient's care. And imagine where we will be in 30 years with a microbiome. That's pretty amazing. So I'll say that. Number two, let's go back just a step. At some point, I'd like to talk to people about Those who don't know what fecal transplants are or any of this; I'd like to give an accurate, quick 32nd overview of what that is.

Dr. Margo Roman  05:08

Okay, so we have many ways to deliver the fecal to a dog. Transplant does not open them up and put the fecal into the abdomen, and we give them a second to give it to them rectally. And first, I always use medical ozone to reduce my biofilm. And then I make a slurry of my dog's fecal. We screen and test our dog's fecal for any typical parasites that dogs would get. And we give them an Enema of this fecal and leave it in there; we do it standing with them awake, and we don't put them under general anesthesia. And then we give them oral to feed both ends. So we're putting the rear end, and we give them said, and it comes in capsules and nuggets. We have different double-walled pills and triple-walled capsules; we freeze-dried and regularly froze them. So we have a lot of different ways to get animals to consume it. And at the same time, we're nurturing the gut. So the term microbiome restorative therapy is what I coined over 12 years ago, instead of FMT, which is fecal microbiota transplantation, and it's because we need to restore it, we need to put this stuff and in there and nurture it, not just throw it out there and hope something sticks. We want to ensure it meshes from one end to the other.

How To Get The Microbiome Deeper Into The Intestines? (6:33)

Rob Ryan  06:33

Dr. B questions.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  06:35

Oh, no, I'm just listening.

Rob Ryan  06:37

Okay,

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  06:38

I've got lots of thoughts. But I'm just going to sit here and learn from an expert. So

Rob Ryan  06:44

Okay,

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  06:45

at this stage, I'm just like everybody else sitting here, mouth wide open and listening to ideas. Good. So I'll

Rob Ryan  06:54

do let me do some consumer-targeted backfill of what you've said. So, you mentioned a couple of things. People are wondering what that means. So

Dr. Margo Roman  07:05

My lights were on, so I thought, Yeah, you bet in the dark here. There we go. I look like I'm getting going. I'm going to put some like

Rob Ryan  07:12

you said something about double-wall capsules. So that's to protect it as it goes to me.

Dr. Margo Roman  07:18

Yeah, so we're doing triple walls, we do double walls, mostly. And we've done some triple walls. And so the idea is that if we can get the microbiome deeper into the small intestines, where most of the lymphatics are, and make sure it gets in there, then I want to make sure it gets in there. So, there are different types of capsules that we use. And then we also have just nuggets. So if we want to get it right into the stomach, we do the chunks, and that way, it breaks up in the stomach wall because there are lots of bacteria in the gut that are using acid, and I don't want the ones that don't have as much acid to get damaged before they get to the small intestines. Right? So, the ones in the colon are from way upstream, and some are only located in the intestines. So by doing it both ends, we're trying to get it all along. And then we also have to use what we call our biofilm restorative water. In 30 years, I have never had one piece of plaque or one piece of tartar, and I've never cleaned my dog's teeth. They've never lost a tooth, and there's no gingivitis in my cats and dogs. In studying with biological dentists, the biofilm in your mouth causes tartar plaque and gingivitis. And so, if my dogs have a balanced microbiome in their mouth that doesn't cause those things, then I need to share it. So, we share my dog's water bowl with our clients. So I take it and put it in glass jars, and then they take their water bowl, use boiling water, no chemicals, and put spring water in there. And then, put a teaspoon of mine and let it populate. And then their dogs drink it, and we're getting rid of tartar. We're getting rid of gingivitis, and they use ozone oil on the mouth to try to break up the biofilm so that this bacteria can adhere to it. Okay, in your mouth are 100 trillion microbes, so it's its front and back end. Run through the whole course.

Rob Ryan  09:18

Yep. What, for people watching and listening, is what Dr. Roman is trying to get them at the top end: the gut, the stomach, the lower intestine, the upper intestine, and the lower intestine in the colon. So she's trying to get that whole tract,

Dr. Margo Roman  09:35

But even the mouth because the mouth has microbes, and they contribute down to 100 trillion. 

Rob Ryan  09:41

Yeah, amen to that. Okay. And then I want to also talk about natural quick biofilm. It's my understanding that the reason you use ozone, it's pure oxygen, is to just gently and naturally pure oxygen. Break up any biofilm preventing the slurry, a light, watery mix of this fecal matter that you inject into the rear end via a syringe without a needle. It's no needle syringe, just a head on it. And so those microbes can attach and take if a biofilm protects it from anything good. And, frankly, it keeps many bad things in there. Is that right?

Dr. Margo Roman  10:30

Yes. So, when we were doing the fecal, we mixed it with saline to make it as isotonic as possible. And ozone is actually oh three, and oh two, and a tiny percentage of oh three, which is the killing action that happens. But that's where ozone is used to clean our atmosphere. And that's where it falls from lightning and tends our Earth; that fresh smell you smell after a thunderstorm lightning storm is all ozone. And that's killing bacteria, fungi, and things polluting our Earth and giving it a fresh smell. So, the same thing, we will use ozone to break up this biofilm. And then, by breaking up the biofilm, we have a clean surface that we can send this microbiome to go over that surface and find new places to set up their little colonies there.

The Biofilm In The Mouth (11:24)

Rob Ryan  11:24

Right?

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  11:25

So Margo, what is the biofilm made of?

Dr. Margo Roman  11:28

Biofilm is a combination of all different parts of bacteria and fungi. And it's like the, it's a slime in your mouth., it's the kind of, when your drain gets that whole goopy thing, and even though the film and the dog's bowl, it's a biofilm, you have to remove that. But when it's a good biofilm, it is healthy to have it there because it protects it from other foreign things. But suppose it's a disrupted biofilm because the animal has been on antibiotics, or NSAIDs, or has had chlorine in their water, or is eating glyphosate in their food and is doing stuff. In that case, it's not allowing the normal flow of things to come in and out of there. So so many more animals. Yeah.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  12:09

So, in the mouth, it would be a combination of saliva and mucus, dead bacterial bodies, and material bodies living just that whole mishmash. And sometimes that's a healthy mishmash you've got with your dogs because of repelling and getting rid of Tata. And, of course, for most dogs, it's unhealthy. Now, to what degree does diet influence that biofilm?

Dr. Margo Roman  12:40

Oh, huge. First of all, most of the commercial foods have preservatives and dyes. And, and I mean a date, they've taken a lot of them out of there because of all the consciousness of the consumer and a lot of new companies. But if there's glyphosate, which is Roundup, glyphosate has a patent as an antibiotic. So, if we feed that daily to our animals, what are we doing to that delicate balance in the gut? I don't know. But it's not very healthy. So feeding organic, fresh, and fermented adds more diversity to it, too.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  13:18

Okay, so very much the diet, your feed is affecting them, like the that, that film, and it's also affecting the microbiome in the mouth. Right. Okay.

Dr. Margo Roman  13:32

You wonder, as humans, if you drink a lot of alcohol, what are you doing to the biofilm in your mouth? If you have an excellent biofilm, you probably need to do a better job to get a good one. It could help you a little bit. But

Rob Ryan  13:45

it's a Margo. Don't be a buzzkill. Tonight, it's almost.

Dr. Margo Roman  13:49

Oh, I know. But, it's like you think about what things we put in our mouths. What is it doing downstream? What is it doing right in your mouth? I mean, people are using mouthwashes to try to kill this bacteria. Meanwhile, they're, they're not putting something good in it. They're just killing it and not allowing something better to come in, a better probiotic or a better mixture of stuff.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  14:14

Yeah, so you're attacking the for one of the better works, but what he is about is striking the gut from both ends. Are you choosing the bacteria in the front end, different from those in the back?

Dr. Margo Roman  14:28

We're trying to use our dogs, who have been successful on both ends. So they have clean teeth and good poops.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  14:36

Just use whatever you take from what a healthy dog is.

Dr. Margo Roman  14:42

Yeah, I mean, I've got I've got. That's why microbiome restorative therapy is the right word for what I do. So we've not only taken the gut flora, but I've even taken the skin and ear flora and have gotten that to straighten up using that. So I have a case where the dog had was; this is just a recent case because I decided to do it on this dog. It was a cocker spaniel with those chronic ears but red and inflamed and everything. The woman had two years, three years of antibiotics, and everything. And we did an oral rectal fecal transplant, and I said, I want she had an ozone generator at home, and I said, I want you to ozone eight those years. And once you got rid of the biofilm, as I do with the gut, I gave her my dogs are our standard poodles. And they've got lots of hair on their ears. So I took a freshwater of hair out of her ears and gave it to her in a paper bag. And I said, I want you to stuff it down in there. And he'll the year. Wow. Now, in that goal

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  15:42

It is fabulous. He tells us so much.

Dr. Margo Roman  15:46

It's amazing. I will tell you about the case of Titan, which I was talking to somebody of the day. This case of Titan has culminated in 45 years of practice and 45 years of trying to stick without talking about Titan.

Rob Ryan  16:02

Let's do a quick summary of who Titan is. Okay.

Dr. Margo Roman  16:05

So Titan came last year in 2022, was hit by a car, had a fractured L seven, which was a lumbar vertebra, and had a sacral luxation and was taken to the veterinary school and couldn't use they found pain and motor on one leg and the leg that dog could barely use. And they told her he was 14 months old. He's not going to have bad control. He's not going to have physical control. He's shattered so much in that back in those nerves. Please euthanize this dog. And the owner said he's 14 months old. He's my love. He's like the best dog ever. I can't euthanize him. So they sent her to the other part of the campus. And again, two surgeons came out and said you got to euthanize this dog. You'll never have broader control. He's not like a 10-pound dog. You're going to have this big dog that we can probably get him to use three legs, and the other one he'll drag, but he'll never get bladder control. I see him nine weeks later. He has been on chloramphenicol because he has a fecal-resistant UTI that smells like dead fish. He had excoriating diarrhea and his tail under that little rock while bleeding. He was fearful and insecure. And he had salt. He was so so traumatized. He just leaned against the wall of my clinic and smeared feces and blood all over. If you can close the doors, yeah, blood all over the sides of the wall. And I and I, the drug was it was just it was smelled so bad from all the feces. So, anyway, long story short, and it takes this case can take me 20 minutes. We did ozone; we did Aqua puncture through the ozone over his back. We did UVB I, which is ultraviolet blood therapy, to get them off the chloramphenicol. The chloramphenicol owner was told not to touch these pills because you can't touch you have to work gloves. They never said where do you? Where does where's it supposed to be going? Is it going to urine? What do you do with that? That's got chloramphenicol in it, too, right? Their three-year-old stepped in, ended up in the emergency room, and had to tap to move the body. rash in the ER was a severe issue. So it's a public health issue when they cannot get them balanced with their gut, and they're there and using antibiotics. So, on day one, we treated him with ozone laser, acupuncture, homeopathy, and herbs and started oral microbiome because I didn't want to waste it on a gut full of chloramphenicol. So we started on days one and two, and he was home on day three. We did the same thing. On day four. He wagged his tail for the first time. And in nine weeks. Dave day, that's day four, day five. I finally gave him a fecal transplant and did the same treatment with the ozone flushing the bladder, doing ozone over his back, and doing the UVB. I gave him the fetal plant transplant on day five day six. This is day six, right? She calls me he walked two miles, peed and pooped independently with normal stools, and urinated with clear urine. Now, I was like in shock. I mean, she wasn't shocked. She's a nursing student. She couldn't believe it. So I started to put it together. We did the acupuncture to try to relieve the fascia that was, and when I did the acupuncture and when I put my needles through, I'd never had this happen before. I felt like I was screwing my needles through beef jerky instead of letting the needles go in when I do acupuncture slides in, and I was cranking it through this deep fascia that was so adhered because of the scarring in the shirt. It was just terrible. So this is day six, and that dog walked two miles and had bladder tone and animal tone back and normal stools. Now, that, to me, was not going to happen just by stopping chloramphenicol. Okay, so that's how everybody would say, well, it was going to get better anyway because that's how they treat integrative medicine that it was going to get better anyway, right? So the dog was great doing two miles. Great feeling, great, um, his personality completely came back, happy, playful. He was walking around so sad and depressed. So, the whole mental health came back as well. So the owner calls me three and a half, four weeks later, and says he has blood in his urine.

How Does A Fecal Transplant Work? (20:32)

Dr. Margo Roman  20:32

And I said, can you bring a urine sample in, right? And so she's showing if he had crystals and a high pH. And I told her I've always wanted to do a urine transplant. And she says, Well, I'm a nursing student. I said I couldn't find it anywhere in the literature. Would you be willing to do it, she goes. I want to be the first one; you must do it on my dog. So I said, Okay, I took a catheter flush, didn't flush it with any ozonated stainless but just put ozone gas in it, like we did the fecal transplant and got put like 60 cc's of ozone gas at about 41 micrograms, who held the dot let it sit there for a little bit because you want it to in seconds, it's doing its job, but left the catheter in for about seven or eight minutes, at least. before I did anything else, I think I waited about 15 minutes. And then I got free catch urine from my donors who have never been on antibiotics. I put 30 ccs of urine from my dog that I had caught in a sterile cup. Not from a tap because I wasn't going to do that to my dog, to traumatize her, and then put that in there. And the next day, I hadn't waited like six hours; he walked five miles and had even more energy than he had. So, in this case, it has just been like whipping around with impossible ways of doing something. And the urine transplant, why not there? People always say urine is sterile. It's never been sterile. It's sterile because they can only isolate six to 12 things. There are probably 100 things in there. But nobody's been able to identify bacteria, foxes, and fungi. And they're only culturing out strep or E. coli or fecal or whatever is going in the bladder, but they don't know we know so little about these places. And we know this microbiome in the heart, in the kidneys. We know it's in the eye. We know it's an ear canal. We know all that stuff. But we don't even know what they are. Because we don't have diagnostics that can tell us what these species are.

Rob Ryan  22:32

Wow.

Dr. Margo Roman  22:33

Yeah. And that dog has been excellent in my videos; you would never even know that he had an injury; he is running, jumping, and jumping off things. It's entirely different.

 

Rob Ryan  22:45

Doc Roman. And I have a couple of thoughts on that. So, first of all, the doctors who told you to euthanize him could not come back to you and say he would have gotten better on his own.

Dr. Margo Roman  22:55

That's why it was so clear they had taken care of it for nine and a half weeks. And they kept telling her he's never going to have your incontinence. He's never going to fecal continence, and you're dealing with this, this, having those catheterized and express his bladder. So, neurotransmitters from the gut could help the spine, bringing back the neurotransmitter components needed to function. That's what happened.

Rob Ryan  23:21

Boom. That was my third question. So I appreciate that. Your people are probably wondering, how does a fecal transplant help a dog that's been hit by a car and is virtually paralyzed in a few areas? So that's, that's an amazing

Dr. Margo Roman  23:37

We know all the precursors from the neurotransmitters come from the gut. That's been decided, actually, almost 2015 years ago. Yep. Well, they knew, but they didn't know which ones and which ones. In my first case, I put that deduction, where I had two dogs trying to kill each other, a brother and a sister wire fox terrier. And the dog had GI problems, had all these other skin problems and all this stuff. And I treated him for his GI problem. I gave him a fecal transplant. This is 12; over 12 years ago, I gave him a fecal transplant for his gut. And all of a sudden, he's kissing and grooming a sister. And I thought the precursors of oxytocin have to come from the gut. Because my dogs groom and love each other. They're kissing each other all the time. And this owner worked at Mass General, and her husband at Mass College of Pharmacy. They were bright and said, " Hey, this is the two dogs we wanted. We bought two puppies that we thought would love each other. And he's been trying to eat and kill her, and so they were like cleaning like he was mesmerized by her, like he loved her like my dogs do with each other. Right? Well, I was so excited. So he, I mean, this is to tell, I think she was doing great for two and a half weeks. She gave him a heartworm pill and a wand, and 24 hours later, he almost killed her. Know that the heartworm pill kills the microbiome. So, ivermectin kills the gut. It was developed as an antibiotic for the intestinal tract and mobile mice. Oxygen is a very similar compound. And so all these things that we're giving them with, like bravecto, and some particle trio, and these interceptors, and then all the heartworm and flea and tick products, they are disrupting the gut balance. And so we, whenever you put that on your dog, especially those on there, 24/7. What are you doing to the gut? You're sabotaging its ability to care for that animal? It's terrible.

Fecal Transplants Vs. Blood Transfusion (25:36)

Rob Ryan  25:36

Yeah, the art of veterinary medicine is something you believe in in practice. And here you are, trying to make a last-ditch effort to save this dog. And so you've decided to go with the owner to do this; you're in transplant. And, you're in what I love about, I'll say, doctors, like you, human and veterinary, is that you have the wonder and the appreciation of what nature can do. And you can make those connections as opposed to, well, gee, it's not in the literature; we won't try it. So, let's euthanize this dog.

Dr. Margo Roman  26:25

Yeah, I mean, thank you for that. But, even when you think about it, we get blood transfusions; we don't think anything about it. Right? I would rather have a fecal transplant than a blood transfusion because you don't, at least, you don't when people get screened for being a donor for blood, you don't know if they're going to have their bipolar, they could lie on this,  could get all these crazy things in your system, as well, as you don't know if they're going to die from cancer in three weeks, I mean, I don't know if my dogs are going to die from cancer in three weeks. I hope not, but you put that into your bloodstream. We're doing it on exciting things; you're forcing that by an IV into your blood. And that's okay. But a fecal transplant, the FDA won't let us do it unless you have CDF headings, but you're giving them a blood transfusion that is much more invasive into the body than doing a fecal transplant.

Rob Ryan  27:14

Dr. Roman, this whole blood transfusion thing just day was on my mind because I'm going to donate some blood to get rid of it, about a pint every quarter. And also to grant it. But what occurred to me was, wait a second, and the reason I'm doing that is, depends, I have no condition, but it's a wellness practice, it's over the age of 50, all you're doing is accumulating iron, and you're storing in your tissues. And so one of the best ways you can get what the only way that we know that you can get rid of it is by donating blood; it should be a regular practice. So that's one of the reasons I'm doing it. But the thought occurred to me: how many people are toxic with iron, and it's in this blood? They're not taking iron out of this blood transfusion. Then you've got all the genetic history and the history of vaccinations and medicines and SSRIs, and all these things that are in this, and it's unbelievable to think about it.

Dr. Margo Roman  28:17

Now. But you can get blood, and every hospital has blood. They're there. They've been doing blood transfusions for 100 years or more, yeah. So, if we could get the microbiome to be identified and know what each of these diseases is missing in their gut, if some of Mrs. Jones in Topeka, Kansas, has MS. and Mrs. Smith, in Oregon, has the microbiome to balance her out. So that's how you would treat it, and if you have pancreatic inflammation and have somebody who has an outstanding balance of their gut, you can treat it that way versus a drug. That's going to be the future of medicine. And it will be the future of veterinary medicine to utilize the animal's immune system to help it heal.

Rob Ryan  29:08

What about this? What about this dog that we're hearing about? Dr. Becker and Rodopi just visited this dog, the dog from

Dr. Margo Roman  29:16

Portugal? Yeah, I didn't see that. I want that dog's microbiome, and I tried to send them an email saying, let's get that microbiome, and let's, let's get the best microbiomes around the world and bring them together and figure out, these longevity animals that are living to high end, I mean, I've had, I've had my client's animals live to 2122, and I have one dog. Some of them, I should have collected them before they passed, kind of thing. I have one that I ordered that's 19 and a half. We have its microbiome, and we have very little of it. And, like my dog Geneva, who was the great great grandmother, great, great grandmother. I still have a cryo freezer, and I've frozen their poop for 12 years. It's, I mean, I've been storing it to use it. She had mammary adenocarcinoma for seven and a half years and died when she was 15. So what let her live 15 years, I mean, seven years with cancer? Like, what made her live that long? So, just recently, I did a fecal transplant on a cat with mammary adenocarcinoma and a female cat, and we did a transplant with her and then my cat donors. So we went to the cryo freezer and got some of her microbiome frozen for about 15 years. And then we took that out and, and gate and mix that with the cat Spiegel. And the cats are doing great.

After all, there's just a fecal transplant and the surgery, and the cat feels much better. So anyway, once you start thinking about what you can do, if you can improve 80% of your immune system with a fecal transplant, it's what I start immediately with. So I have a dog. Anything they come in, they've been coming from a shelter or a pet store, and I've had 20 vaccinations and de-wormed with Panacur and metronidazole. And they've entirely sabotaged that animal's immune system. They've taken it, and just let's squish it out of there, right? And so if we can take those young puppies and initially inoculate them with the protected microbiome that I've had been taking care of for 30 years, and give them that boost, the hope is that that will help them.

And interestingly, about four months ago, I had two puppies that came into my clinic. I didn't remember the puppies because they were little and were both from abandoned situations at the shelter. The owner told them there would be mental issues with these dogs, that one was a pit bull and a shepherd mix. And, of course, she came in, which was so weird. The dogs came in, and they looked me right in the eye. And they were glad to see him. I didn't recognize them. But one of I said, this dog acts just like my dog apple. I mean, it's like my dog. I can see that the dog's expression is just like my dog's. And so I thought, do I know these dogs? And so I went back, and they helped. They both had fecal transplants as puppies.

Rob Ryan  32:20

Wow.

Dr. Margo Roman  32:21

So that the energy and they both were happy, they were acting like poodles. One was a pit bull, and one was a shepherd. And they were like, like, my silly poodles.

Rob Ryan  32:33

Well,

Dr. Margo Roman  32:35

It's fascinating. Thank you because I never would have gone down that line with RA and protection because I lost my spleen in veterinary school. And I was told, Do not touch raw meat. And stay on antibiotics for the rest of your life. And don't be a veterinarian. So, Lawson vet school, right? And they said, you cannot you cannot touch raw meat. So I didn't feel on me for the first few years of might with my kids until I started to feed the dogs. And I thought I would die from salmonella and E. coli because I had no spleen. And they told me I'll die if I get salmonella, E. Coli. I think it made me stronger. I think it helped my immune system by being exposed to this stuff. However, I was told by Brigham and Women's Tufts Medical not to touch raw meat. And then I'm like, feeding raw meat being around me. Wow, now I'm providing poop. Is it real?

Do You Take Poop From Healthy Animals Or Sick Animals? (33:32)

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  33:32

Do you think you're taking poop from healthy or healthy animals with a problem like mammary cancer or whatever? I was very unsure what cancer was. Really, yeah. And you are then giving it to another animal. That's a very individual thing. The genetics of that animal and the microbiome were from his mom and its history of what it's eaten; all of those things have contributed to producing this unique microbiome. There's probably no way that can be duplicated on a large scale.

Dr. Margo Roman  34:19

I don't know, but Animal Biome and Texas A&M are all there. We're in Texas. A&M is working with a Purina, and animal biome is working with Hills, and they will try to find something they can scoop into and put in the food to make something that will work. I view my dogs as each individual, personality, and health, so I want to share that with as many people as possible. And so having it as part of something, adding it in, and if we can make it more available to so many more people and diverse, my dogs might not be the best they are right now, they're considered the best in the world. But there may be dogs, like I said, that are 23 years old and running around healthy and have no history of cancer. My dogs have had cancer, but they've lived with it for years and years. So, can we get away from cancer? I don't know any dogs that are living. I mean, maybe this dog in Portugal is one that we should all be sitting with; in looking at it, I saw a picture of it; it seems obese, but maybe it's okay to be obese and live to 30. I mean, yeah, perhaps that's what we also do. A visa was a three. But we need a microbiome to help us; we do.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  35:44

My god. This is the type of medicine that is individualized, and it can't be mass-produced; it can't make money. But that has to be the medicine of the future and the past. We have gone through this phase of promoting drugs and everything else. And we can see the damage that that's all happened. When I saw a young student, a veterinarian, Tom Hungerford, who was head of the postgraduate Foundation, he started a series of articles; he said, I want you that's out there to write out the what he called the blood, the down and the guts. So it's interesting what you do. I don't care about the niceties of practice, research, or anything else. Tell me what works and how you do it. And I want to publish that so that other vets can use it. And we at the education now have to look at, well, okay, a veterinarian shouldn't be trying to say, well, I can identify these dogs that are well, they're on a good diet, we have to clarify what that is. That's another story. We now take their poop and transplant it into these other dogs with this particular problem. But it has; it's the art and the science of medicine, and the two must be married together. And that's how we need to approach the treatment of the future. I have seen the things made by big pharma and produced on NASCAR to make money, but you have healers who are using science, and their understanding of nature and nature is just the total of evolution to this point. And that's what it is, is nothing else. And it is using that as the medicine to this understanding. And this is where education has to proceed. We used to think we could build on everything else; we know we must say yes, but these are the limitations. And this is where we could enhance this. And we have; it is just a learning process.

Dr. Margo Roman  37:57

When you're well, in the lecture you gave at AHVMA in 2019, you came up to and talked about this chronological history of the Earth. And if you look at where the microbiome was, everything is created from it. So, all the species, plants, and invertebrates came from that prokaryote, and it all started there. And here we are, taking this life force, creating all these new life forces. And now we're trying to kill the lifeforce that started because we're 10% of our body's cells, and the rest is microbiome. So we're just a structure of cells holding up this microbiome.

How Do We Protect The Microbiome? (38:41)

Dr. Margo Roman  38:41

So, how do we protect that? And how do we enhance it to protect us and our animals? We don't keep destroying it, and it's tough because we are so used to using chemicals; just put this spot on and get dough fleas for three months. What are you killing your dog with? You're killing its microbiome, and you're killing the dog. But oh, you won't have a fleet? Well, you still will probably have a caravan, but your dog will also get cancer and autoimmune disease, and then you'll be like, Oh, but I didn't have fleas. So

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  39:11

there's the old saying of tossing the baby out with the bathwater.

Dr. Margo Roman  39:16

Yeah, but it is. It's beautiful that you guys are getting into adding something to the diet that can enhance it, getting the people to understand that they can't be giving that and then poisoning their dog at the same time. So they're like, the stepping on the brake and the gas at the same time, and it's going to it's going to help, but it's not you're going to keep killing, you're going to break, ruin the machine. Because it's like yes, no, yes, no, yet to try to enhance it and then keep it enhanced by giving more of this and protecting it is the way to get them healthier.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  39:52

I've also been doing some research lately, Margo, because, for many years, people have been saying all the dog's acid is much stronger Than humans. And I've always doubted this; we both have very similar stomach acids, and it appears, from the papers I've been reading that looked at this and measured, that's true. And one of the things they're saying is that, because that stomach acid, a lot of bacteria that we know about anyway, and that's an important point to are not getting through because they've been killed. So that is why fecal transplants are so vital. You're bypassing that protective barrier up the front end, which may kill good bacteria, archaea, and whatever else you want, and popping it in the back end. So they don't have to pass that protective barrier. So, to my mind, that is a real benefit, or for a better word of actually getting the microbiome inside the dog, an advantage of doing it through the rectum rather than the mouth.

Dr. Margo Roman  40:55

Yeah, and I'll tell you, we do the fecal transplants with them awake with the ozone and where it's done for, how it's recommended through a CBI M, which is the board certified is putting them under general anesthesia, making a slurry of about 200 CC. And just like whitewashing the walls of the colon and then waking them up, they poop it all out. And the success they get is so tiny compared to what we get, and we get 95% success, they get 2015 30%. So it is the quality of the donor, the technique of doing it, and the support that we do to try to nurture it and keep it going versus just blasting it and then you're okay, you got the fecal transplant, you're, you're it doesn't stay. It's not being nurtured. It's not being cultivated. It's blown against a wall, and the next vehicle drags it out.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  41:51

Right. So, on what basis did they devise their protocol

Dr. Margo Roman  41:56

on the human paces? So, to get to do it for fecal transplants, when I first started going to fecal transplant lectures and doing stuff like that, I had been doing it, and I started attending the medical conferences. They do the fecal transplants for humans by putting the people on vancomycin and metronidazole. This is for C Diff only. So they're killing off the trying to kill the biofilm with powerful antibiotics. And then, they used a nasal gastric tube and injected the slurry that way; that was how most of them were done. And I have a case that will blow your mind. If you want to hear it, I don't know if we have time because it was my sister's. Do we have time to talk about this? It is amazing. This will blow your mind, but I assure you my sister's boyfriend's mother was 86 years old at four years old at the time; how many years before? She had C diff, okay. And she had been hospitalized twice. She had a tonic bladder. She was in a diaper, was on antibiotics, has Parkinson's, can't walk or can't take her Parkinson's medication, is in a wheelchair in a wheelchair, and is demented. Okay, so my sister meets Doris, and she's happy to tell her story, and she will tell you. So, when my sister told me about it, I said, Oh, she's got C diff, get her a fecal transplant. And it was like, that's disgusting. We are not going to talk about that; it is gross. And we won't do this if this is like 12 years ago. I said to get her a fecal transplant, and they said she wouldn't do that. So then she's the next year next year. They come that she's still she's a bit so debilitated. They're putting her in a nursing home where she can't care for herself. She doesn't have any memory of anything. She's just in pain from the C diff all the time. So I said to get her a fecal transplant, so Medicare won't cover a fecal transplant unless you had two separate hospitalizations. She had to go out three rather than three, and she told them I would never go back, which was so painful. All the drugs, I can't do it. I will die before you put me in the hospital. So I said pay out of pocket. Cedar Sinai and Los Angeles was 9000, Mayo Clinic was 6000, and Scripps Institute was $750. So they drove to Scripps Institute in San Diego, which took five minutes. They put a nasal gastric tube down her throat and gave her a fecal transplant. I called her five days later because you couldn't talk to her before she had dementia. She said I actually can. I can think a thought through my brain. And I can take my Parkinson's medication, so I'm standing alone. I thought that was great. Five weeks. Five weeks later, my sister and her boyfriend couldn't find her. She's at the mall with her friends. How's your brain capacity back to 100%? Her bladder tone is normal. She's back to being normal. After years of being demented. and not able to walk, not able to do anything, and barely eat because she's so painful. Five months later, my sister had never met her except in a wheelchair with demented. She said I don't know who this woman was; she looked like she was 55 years old. She has run around. So they put her in assisted living or a nursing home. She runs their athletic department, their whole activity department, but she's, she's, and I talked to her every year, and she doesn't know how to thank me for it. I mean, I did not treat her. I'm not a physician. I am a veterinarian. But I was encouraging her to do this. And she doesn't know how to thank me. She says, like, I have my brain capacity back 100.

The Fecal Transplants And The Microbiome (45:39)

Dr. Margo Roman  45:39

How did that happen? How did that happen? And I've told this story to medical conferences at medical schools. And I've had other people do it, and they come back and say it changed my whole life. It changed my ability to think and process because that gut-brain connection is so real. And that's what we see in these animals: they get this and are happy again. They're out playing ball. I mean, I had a dog when I was doing chemo and radiation, everything else. And he would go through all that. And we would give him a fecal transplant. He'd come in like, Hey, give him the next day he'd be. I gave him a puppy poop. And he'd be out throwing balls in the air. She hadn't done that since he was two years old. And his mental health was like back again as a young dog. So this is why when you see those things and think back, you go, Oh my god, that is amazing. Right? That's amazing. And that was with this woman who got a difficult fecal transplant.

Rob Ryan  46:38

Wow. Dr. Roman? Tell Tell me what you do. Do you use probiotics pills or powders? If, if so, why? And if not, why?

Dr. Margo Roman  46:53

Okay, so I Oh, I've been using probiotics for 35 years for my whole practice. So, I was using omega-3 fatty acids very early in my career. I was using, probe, I mean, probiotics, I was using spirulina organic stuff. I've been doing that since my parents were doing cod liver oil and all that stuff for less with kids, molasses, and blacks, so I was always doing that as a practitioner was adding these nutraceuticals or nutritional products into the food. And I was using a lot of probiotics before I started, and I do that a little bit with the fecal transplant. But my feeling is the fecal transplant is 500 species in 1000. subspecies, no probiotic even touches that. So, to have it given in a balanced way, with the microbiome in its components that it all meshes together, is way better than six probiotics or 10, probiotics or 40. Probiotics. You need. There's a there's 500 and 1000 subspecies. So, how do we get that balance in? The best thing is to give the microbiome some good probiotics. Still, too many probiotics will put them out of balance and make them all skewed because they're all of those species versus something that's been in play for generations.

Rob Ryan  48:15

Yeah. Dr. Bill Ayers and I agree when discussing them being great for therapeutic dosages or using synonyms. In the extreme, you see, you're out of balance; it's a great way to band-aid the situation. Why do you use it with the fecal? I'm just curious,

Dr. Margo Roman  48:36

What I use with them is if they've been on a lot of antibiotics, I use a product called New Trajes, which is Rob Silver's product, and it's new, it's fructose saccharides, it's ginger. It's, it's got a little probiotic, it's got digestive enzymes. So when I give the fecal transplant, I don't nurture it. So, I provide this product with digestive enzymes and ways of balancing the gut. Then, I used standard process enteric support to desiccate Janam ileum. So, I'm feeding them the raw components as a glandular. And then I use colostrum. Studies have shown that the mother's milk has sugar, but they never understood why it was given to the baby because there's no way the baby could digest it. But it's only to feed the microbes. So, I want to nurture the microbes. I want to give them something they can care for. Then, I use Zachary Bush's product called Gut Ion Biome. And that is, humic and fulvic acid coming from ancient peat moss. I met Zachary when he first came out with this product, and he went to a conference and begged him if I could try it on animals, so I've been using that. So those four things are part of the nurturing that I do to help that gut Get Started, but I use it with more our gut, which is to try to milk, not multiply it, but keep it going. Because some animals, I think, just kill it off.

The Poop And The Microbiome (50:10)

Dr. Margo Roman  50:10

They're so toxic that they need to have it more than once. And I have several clients that animals had. Both two of these dogs had spent $40,000 at referral hospitals before they came to me. And that was five years ago, and they had put up their hands; they couldn't spend any more money. And those dogs have been taking poop every day. And that's what keeps them going. So they get our poop capsules or a piece of poop daily.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  50:36

Margo has somewhere along the line. I heard that vaginally born individuals pick up the microbiome from their mom, which sits in the Crips and all the crevices within the gut over time. That's the stable microbiome for many individuals that must be maintained, but if their diet is wrong, they don't; it doesn't feed the right ones. Is changing the diet from something incorrect to something correct one of the reasons that the original microbiome may be allowed to flourish and a lot of the individual's health?

Dr. Margo Roman  51:23

Well, that's the hope if we've given them a good diet, but if this is the issue, okay. If you're not born vaginally, you do not get the vaginal gulp, and you do not get that exposure from the beginning. So my dogs are seven generations that I know when vaginally born; I know that one or two of them before, but they weren't in my care. So if you have a C section, and the mother had a C section, and the grandmother had a C section, and she was on antibiotics, that exchange may have never occurred in that third or fourth generation, and now that's the one you're using for breeding. So, here we have; how many years have we had antibiotics? You've had them your entire career. I've been practicing for 45 years, and we've had antibiotics, and I use antibiotics all the time. I was like, that's where we must treat it with the infected Paul use animal. I haven't used antibiotics in my practice. In the last five years, I only prescribed at one time. And that was for a ruptured pyometra. And otherwise, I use ozone ultraviolet light therapy. I'm treating Mersa with ozone and fecal transplants. If they have a nasty infection, I give them fecal and ozone, and they recover in two or three days. So, my feeling is to provide the tools for the body to repair itself. Don't keep druggin' it down. So if it's trying to get up there, you keep pushing it back down again.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  52:41

My goal is for anybody out there in veterinary authority land to listen.

Dr. Margo Roman  52:47

I don't know. I've written letters to the I wrote a letter to AVMA I wrote a letter to any time I write letters, and I send them the cases in the biometric instances up on the board. I sent it to the AMA and sent it to Angel Memorial. I sent it to send it to all anyone that I thought had some show us your double-masked studies. Okay. Well, I can't. I don't have ruptured biometrics; that's the first time I've ever had in my career, so a ruptured pipe on me. I have a video. You can watch it on my website. The pus is pouring out of the hole. I've never seen that this dog was supposed to be euthanized. She came. It wasn't on my client, but it was a friend. And I saw her, and she was crying, and I said, what's going on? She said I'm taking my dog and being euthanized. I don't know what's wrong with it. We had bloodwork done. We spent over $1,000. They don't know. And the dog came in; it was comatose, and I was on the ground. And I said what's wrong with that? You see, I said, she said, Well, I told the dog is a dog spayed. And she said, No. I said, what before you use it? Let me see, maybe it's a pyometra like perhaps before you, and it's only a seven-year-old Labrador. So I said, let me rush it into surgery. So I made a tiny incision, and pus poured out. I'm like, Oh, God, what is this? So I opened it up. And there were adhesions all over this uterus, according to one of my clients, a forensic pathologist in human medicine. It ruptured 72 hours before from the pictures that I showed her. So this dog could collapse 72 hours before. And here I am. I'm not a surgeon; I have an extensive surgery suite with recovery. And I had one of my staff who just came from that kind of hospital; she was my system. And I'm telling people I don't want to say to them that it's impossible to heal. So I took that uterus out. I flushed the whole abdomen with ozone. I gave the dog IV UVB, and I did everything I did. And I don't have overnight hospitalization. I started the surgery at noon. At five o'clock, I had to leave the dog sitting up drinking ozonated water. It came in comatose. And so we did. I said Well, this is the time I need it. Biotics, right? So, I started on antibiotics and kept on it for three days.

The Importance Of Ozone Therapy (55:04)

Dr. Margo Roman  55:04

We then gave it a fecal transplant, and she was fine, so if you don't have the tools of ozone, and that's the big piece here that veterinarians worldwide are learning ozone therapy, there are over 1,000. There are over 300 in Brazil, and when I went to Japan, no one veterinarian used ozone. And now there are 300 that are using ozone. It is an essential tool to help us reduce all the infections and biofilm and stimulate stem cells. It goes in the colon, ozone stimulates stem cells, and in the colon's crypts and the colon's depth are the columnar cells' stem cells. So my thought is when we throw the ozone in there, not only are we disrupting the biofilm, but we're saying wake up stem, wake up, call themselves time for you to start doing your job. And then they start growing. And that's why we pair ourselves with ozone, irritable bowel, and all these things.

Rob Ryan  55:58

And Dr. Roman, my pool and spy, were when I had one for Ron on ozone. So I got to save a lot of reading exposure to chlorine, shocking. Let's do we have about two minutes left. So, I want to return to one that is a critical point. Let's remind people, how many species does a dog have of good bacteria and subspecies just quickly?

Dr. Margo Roman  56:29

I wonder if the terms I use discuss a human. So again, if you have a 50-pound dog and a 150-pound human, there's probably a proportional change, right? So they say 100 trillion microbes and a normal human being. And there's a trillion in your mouth. And when dentists or veterinarians, this is a peeve of mine. Automatically put your dog on antibiotics for dental. That is so bad. Because I haven't used antibiotics for dental for 30 years, and I do dogs with heart murmurs and heart. I use ozone, but we flush them out with ozone. We use ozonated oils. We do UV bi if they have a heart problem because we don't want any bacteria going into them, causing pain. But when they unthinkingly put them on Clinton Meissen's post, Dental is sabotaging that dog. They have never taken a culture. I've never seen one culture on any dental I've ever seen. And if you look at the distribution of the microbiome in the mouth, there are entirely different colonies than there are I and completely other territories back there. So if you don't take a culture of every one of those roots you pulled out, culture it, and then you can only document 12 species, so if they're 100 trillion in there in your document, 12 species. It's a joke. It's, it's like pretending you're doing something. Yeah, we're ozone. We'll clean it all out and get rid of the biofilm. And after using the ozone in the mouth, the gums start to heal immediately. You can see them. They're not red anymore. They're pink.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  58:12

The ozone therapy, they'll go, how's it delivered? Can you tell?

Dr. Margo Roman  58:16

I mean, I have. That's how I was going to show you the slideshow, but ozone we have an ozone generator; you use pure surgical oxygen, run it through the generator, and that's when you use a pull thing; you're not using that. And then we make it, put it into sailing, and bubble it into sailing. And then we use that sailing, or you can make it water and use it for water you can use it for or bag it with ozone which if you're going to breathe it or have any exposure to breathing. We always bubble it through olive oil, which makes overnights so that you can use it and so or not and breathe it, so I do it for Coronavirus. I treated a cat with Coronavirus almost 20 years ago, and everyone died except the one I treated with ozone. They all died, so it works for Coronavirus, and then I had a dog during the pandemic that was PCR-positive for Corona. He'd been on two antibiotics with one anti, a hiker Dan, I mean a bunch of anti-coughing medications, and stuff was hacking his brains out. He came for ozone and UVB I, and I gave him a fecal transplant; he stopped coughing in the car on the way home. So, it works for viruses that work for fungi.

Oxygen Therapy Would Wreck Most Veterinary Practices (59:42)

Dr. Margo Roman  59:42

And it's such an inexpensive tool that every veterinarian can afford to put it in their practice and offer it to people. People can get their ozone generators and have them at home and themselves. My mother has one she loves, which she thinks is her fountain of youth. She drinks it what? She's 94 and believes it's what's kept her going.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  59:51

Margot, this sort of therapy would wreck most veterinary practices. If everybody practiced because we've had so many wild animals, there'd be no work for this.

Dr. Margo Roman  1:00:06

Well no, veterinarians would have more time to learn more things. Let's look at it that way. Right? Instead of trying to,

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  1:00:13

I was being facetious. I wasn't suggesting I

Dr. Margo Roman  1:00:16

know that I know that. If every veterinarian had this in their practice, they would know I don't know how to practice without ozone. I don't. I don't, I don't use antibiotics. So if I don't have a tool I cannot use, and the AVMA is telling us not to use antibiotics, they're saying, You must be judicious. You must know precisely what, but they don't tell us what to do. They say to give you their alternative. They don't provide any option. And then you sit there and go, Well, what am I supposed to do? I don't know anything else. And this is so simple to learn. It's not like you have to go to acupuncture school and study for three years. It is easily adapted to any veterinary practice.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  1:00:54

Yeah, I'm listening to your talk again. And much of what you do in practice cannot be studied scientifically with our current scientific tools. However, ozone therapy could be doing some double well they could.

Dr. Margo Roman  1:01:11

I mean, we're trying to we're, there's, a woman in Cuba right now. And we're trying to she's, and we're trying to get her to emigrate to the United States. She has been doing ozone research for over 23 years. She graduated and wrote part of this book in the veterinary book Ozone Therapy with Sylvia Menendez. She had many research labs in Cuba and was trying to get her out. So that she could do more research here, but she's done all kinds of animal studies. I mean, there are hundreds of references, hundreds of them. And you can read, I mean, there's hundreds of stuff. Many organizations learn who's done. Her name is Zulay, and she is an Amaro Zoo lady. She's trying to get grants to study and do it on the microbiome and ozone when she gets out of Cuba. And I think there should be lots of funding because of the microbiome. If anyone's out there and knows about funding to help her get started here, understand that because when I went to speak at the TARGET Discovery conference almost ten years ago, and I was a little peon veterinarian, there were all the universities and medical schools and all this kind of stuff. And I'm talking about my first fecal transplant, where I took my finger, went on my dog's rear end, and dropped it in the other dog's mouth. I said it's a slam dunk thing. And they were all talking about, and I have $3.2 million of venture capital and 1.7. And I have this right. And I said, and that dog completely cleared up. This was a dog that was dying. And that's a great that stolen case is a great case. But it made me realize that we have so many beautiful things that these bodies take care of. And we're trying to kill them all the time, we're sabotaging health,

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  1:03:04

my goal is to have a series of slides that point out a dog licking its genitals, licking somebody, and other dogs, genitals. And I'm just using it to illustrate that we shouldn't sterilize their food. Right. Now I am learning so much more from you, as was also going on is that they're sampling somebody else's microbiome Exactly. 

Dr. Margo Roman  1:03:29

When they eat poop, they're inoculating themselves, but what you want them to do is dog self-medicate all the time. But if I can give them a good quality thing to add, not something that has been on a bunch of drugs and stuff, but a high-quality microbiome, that's the goal to bring that to another level.

Rob Ryan  1:03:52

Dr. Roman, you could send a picture for Ian's slide presentation of your finger up the one dog; he would appreciate that.

The Impact Of Meat On The Environment (1:04:06)

Dr. Margo Roman  1:04:06

Yeah. Question. Yes, okay. Just leave it for her to make in the morning. Okay, great. Excellent, thank you. Yeah, we're just getting our dog's food ready for tomorrow—my dog, just, to put a point out there. My dog, my first three generations, were our raw, everyone's raw fed. Okay. The first three generations are about 92% Meat, 90% Meat, okay. 85% meat. This generation is 92% plant. And we put in raw meat so they get raw meat to feed the microbes that need putrefied meat. And I use all the plants I cannot because I want to be more sustainable. And I've given this statistic. I talked to Rob about this statistic of raising a 170-pound dog for 11 years. What's the impact on our Earth for their meat only? The beef only needs 8 million gallons of water, 180 tons of grain, and 365,000 miles worth of petroleum to bring the food to those animals and then to take them to slaughterhouses, packing houses, and all that 5.5 acres of forest or rainforest. It has to be cut down to put the corn, soy, wheat, whatever you're growing, and most of it is genetically modified. But then the tons of methane, CO2, and feces added to climate change and pollution. Because these animals are fed, it's glyphosate, so it's even more in our water stream, right? But the worst part is a caring veterinarian, and I will tell that client with that new dog to kill 8127 animals for one dog that we separate. As a veterinarian who cares about animals, it's unethical for me to do that, so wherever I could reduce that and increase the plant product. And so these last three letters, this last three letters that I have, now, none other one is 92% plant, and they're thriving. And they're just as big as the other ones. And I mean, I've read down because my, the one that was the great, great great grandmother was like an 85-pound standard poodle; she was way digging. Now they're about 40 pounds. So I bred them down because I didn't; she had a gastric torsion. And I didn't want ever to see that again. So, I did that to reduce the chest size, right? And now these dogs are 40-45 pounds, standard poodles. And so, doing more plants will save our planet. And I think our dogs are thriving on it. So everybody says you can't do it. You can't do it. You can't do it. You can't do it. And as somebody lecturing on raw diet for so long, I'm still using raw diet. I still believe in raw meat and natural; you're doing everything raw, but it's not this much.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  1:07:06

Are you using grains at all?

Dr. Margo Roman  1:07:08

Some, so what I meant was what I can show, that's a whole other slideshow?

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  1:07:13

Is it sprouted?

Dr. Margo Roman  1:07:15

Yes.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  1:07:16

Okay,

Dr. Margo Roman  1:07:16

so I'm using I'm using sprouted. I soak my beans for 48 hours and with alkaline water. And

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  1:07:26

this is a whole other conversation I'd love to have with you. I don't think we can have it right now we

Dr. Margo Roman  1:07:31

Can. There are many components to why these dogs' microbiome is so good, but they're getting a lot of plant fiber, which is why these microbiomes love that. That's what they do, where they multiply on the right. So neat. But a very, very small percentage

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  1:07:49

this is just another brilliant conversation we can have in the future. But I think right now, we don't like

Dr. Margo Roman  1:08:02

A lot of stuff, but I would love to share cases with you and show them. I mean, they will blow your mind.

Big Pharma’s Impact On The Microbiome (1:08:09)

Rob Ryan  1:08:09

you don't need to convince us the plants are excellent. That's our business; we ferment plants. And we think it's perfect, and you'll have to do a ton of convincing that for me that no matter what you feed, no matter what, that if the big companies don't get a hold of it and bastardize it that you're going to be in any better position. And I consider myself an expert on climate change. I've been doing this for a long time, and some prominent experts in the field taught me. And once you get big business attached to anything, and I don't care if that's a beyond burger, I don't care if that is called greenwashing and regenerative farm washing. Watch out if you get them involved; it will be the same.

Dr. Margo Roman  1:08:57

The hope is that these big pharma companies see money being made to make something better. So, they may need to make the drugs more. But they can make something better than it was and use herbs, plants, and things you see there. In that case, I can go on chewing, or I can, or any of these companies order some of the natural stuff I've been using for 25 years that you could never get on a place like that. So, herbal companies, you could never get it., so it's it is happening, and people's consciousness is occurring. And you have lovely summits, natural talking shows, natural magazines, Karen Becker, and all these beautiful places where people learn to care more for their animals because we all cherish them. We love them. We don't want them to suffer. We don't want them to die early. We want to avoid substantial veterinary bills. So, how do you keep them healthy? The core of it is the gut. So keep your gut healthy.

Rob Ryan  1:10:00

I agree with you on that point. And I will say, like one of our missions with Gus, he's got is to be a purchaser of regenerative farm biodynamic farm, very healthy soil grown good businesses. We have to get back to the farmers and know our farmers and appreciate them. They're feeding us, and they're providing us healthy food, not glyphosate. And so, I welcome this conversation as an entire topic. And it's a conversation we can have enough. But I will say one little thing that comes to my mind: my mother says very often when we were young when I was young, so this is in the early 70s. We don't remember people even walking their dogs, and people weren't walking their dogs. And I lived in California. And so even to see the evolution of people, purchasing dog walking and walking their dogs and consciousness has increased to improve their food. It's all going in an upward slope direction, but an upward trend. I'm happy about that.

Dr. Margo Roman  1:11:19

I agree. I mean, people are anyway; I shut that off. But anyway, okay. Well, I have to go. I've got to. I shouldn't have scheduled another lecture at seven o'clock.

Rob Ryan  1:11:33

Oh, my gosh, it's it's been such a pleasure. So Margaret, let's tell people where we can find you.

Dr. Margo Roman  1:11:39

Okay, you can read much about the microbiome from our two websites, mash vet.com, and the NBRT—-life. And so looking at those things, you can learn a lot more about it and understand why we're encouraging people to appreciate and nurture that microbiome, our mash, that website has a lot of videos that I do for our clients, and you're welcome to watch them and learn from them.

Rob Ryan  1:12:08

Great. I have seen your doctor do more videos on YouTube. Great. Okay, and I love them. And so for any vets that are out here listening that were sent this by a client, please go to YouTube, type in Dr. Do MRE, do MRE, and you'll be inspired by healers, people who are not only thinking uniquely, but they're getting results like Dr. Roman here.

Dr. Margo Roman  1:12:37

Yeah, well, yeah, we did that project to highlight what we're doing. We're doing more; why can't we all do more? We, and it's not; it takes years to study different modalities. To become good at being a homeopath. It's years of work. And to become good at acupuncture, the same thing, but the fecal, is something that everybody can do, and the ozone is everything everybody can do. If you can get 80%, just by that, like all the rest is, it is cream. So

Rob Ryan  1:13:07

Well, thank you so much for being with us. This has been just great. And we're so lucky to have you in the world, helping and educating.

Dr. Margo Roman  1:13:17

We all must talk about these things because I want to thank Ian. After all, it was part of the road I traveled. And it's fascinating because I have always promoted the raw diet and then switched from the raw to the plant. All the people I talked about all the stuff you do are like, no, no, no, we can't use it. I'm like, but we have to, we have to take care of this Earth, and I want my grandchildren to have a dog, and their kids to have a dog. And if we have cancer in 54% of dogs, and we didn't when I was in vet school, there, we're not going to have an animal, they'll live to three, and they'll have to get a new one, I mean, they'll just be so chronically sick. And I don't want that if you love them too much. You don't want them to die—all these things.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst  1:14:06

In my first book, Margo, Give Your Dog a Bone. I talked extensively about plans and have done so ever since. But I've had people who need help understanding what I've been discussing today. And ozone and fecal is simple. And so is diet. So, those three things are like the veterinary profession put them together. What a difference it could make. Because everybody wants to make diet complicated, and it isn't. But that's, that's my preaching. Now.

Dr. Margo Roman  1:14:41

That's what it has to be as high value to it if it's just wasted stuff that everybody's byproducts that doesn't have any life, Senate, or anything in it. I'm still determining. It has to have. It has to have good sources and stuff. But thank you guys so much. I'm happy to connect with you and want to continue another call to exchange ideas. I love you for everything you gave me. Thank you. Thank you.

Rob Ryan  1:15:12

Thank you, everybody, for thanks for joining us today, and we'll look forward to seeing you next time. Have a great night.

Dr. Margo Roman  1:15:18

Excellent, thank you for taking care. bye